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This is your best bet, because you used a some kind of burner/debit card. Google does indeed discriminate on your payment method. Most likely due to them havi

This is your best bet, because you used a some kind of burner/debit card. Google does indeed discriminate on your payment method. Most likely due to them having too much data to process they analyze the data from abusers and these kind of cards seem to stick out like a sore thumb.

AtNightWeCode 4y ago
Burner/single use. Maybe it is different in different countries but Google do allow debit cards. Company credit cards are not standard in large parts of EU for instance.
TimTheTinker 4y ago
> too much data to process That's not true, it's their choice not to process the data manually. Google loves to leverage developers and code to fix every problem, including (especially?) customer service. In particular, they hate manual labor and seek to automate everything -- which is a horrible approach when it's applied unilaterally to all aspects of business relationships and customer service. At some point, Google needs to grow up and learn that being clever only takes you so far. As it is, Google leaders seem to love computers and money, not people. I'd wager 20:1 that anyone at Google reading this thread takes action by tweaking algorithms, not by restructuring the company to help customers in person.
- TimTheTinker 4y ago
  Google gained a tremendous amount of goodwill early on because they provided incredibly powerful free tools - search, web mail with 1GB of space, etc. -- which was so much better than what stingy incumbents offered (Yahoo Mail's free tier offered 10 MB of email storage at the time). But the rest of the industry has (mostly) caught up technically with them. But cleverness and free tools will no longer be enough, since they're invading people's privacy (as ad revenue motivates them) and failing in customer service.
  - babypuncher 4y ago
    I'd say Google has fallen behind. Gmail is a good example. I switched to Fastmail, which loads on my PC in less than a second after I click the bookmark. Gmail takes nearly 10 seconds. And Fastmail provides a configuration profile to provide push notifications to the native iOS email client, something Google stopped offering 6-7 years ago.
    - TillE 4y ago
      The Gmail web interface has been crud for 10+ years now, but...it's free. Not too surprising that paid services are better. It's really hard to beat 'free' as long as it's barely good enough.
- justsomeguy33 4y ago
  Sorry, let me rephrase. Too much data to process than they are willing to put time in to When handling with huge streams of data, like in for example a SOC it's the 'big' streams and patterns of data on which is zoomed in. For this reason the system is made (and learns to) discriminate against payment methods that are known to be abused. Is this bad? Well.. do you want these scam ads to be around to hurt for example, your grandma? Perhaps it's a necessary evil to make it all work. Yeah the automation is a big problem but this seems to be essential for their scalability to work and be able to provide us all with the services they offer.

AtNightWeCode 4y ago

Burner/single use. Maybe it is different in different countries but Google do allow debit cards. Company credit cards are not standard in large parts of EU for instance.

TimTheTinker 4y ago

> too much data to process That's not true, it's their choice not to process the data manually. Google loves to leverage developers and code to fix every problem, including (especially?) customer service. In particular, they hate manual labor and seek to automate everything -- which is a horrible approach when it's applied unilaterally to all aspects of business relationships and customer service. At some point, Google needs to grow up and learn that being clever only takes you so far. As it is, Google leaders seem to love computers and money, not people. I'd wager 20:1 that anyone at Google reading this thread takes action by tweaking algorithms, not by restructuring the company to help customers in person.

TimTheTinker 4y ago
Google gained a tremendous amount of goodwill early on because they provided incredibly powerful free tools - search, web mail with 1GB of space, etc. -- which was so much better than what stingy incumbents offered (Yahoo Mail's free tier offered 10 MB of email storage at the time). But the rest of the industry has (mostly) caught up technically with them. But cleverness and free tools will no longer be enough, since they're invading people's privacy (as ad revenue motivates them) and failing in customer service.
- babypuncher 4y ago
  I'd say Google has fallen behind. Gmail is a good example. I switched to Fastmail, which loads on my PC in less than a second after I click the bookmark. Gmail takes nearly 10 seconds. And Fastmail provides a configuration profile to provide push notifications to the native iOS email client, something Google stopped offering 6-7 years ago.
  - TillE 4y ago
    The Gmail web interface has been crud for 10+ years now, but...it's free. Not too surprising that paid services are better. It's really hard to beat 'free' as long as it's barely good enough.
justsomeguy33 4y ago
Sorry, let me rephrase. Too much data to process than they are willing to put time in to When handling with huge streams of data, like in for example a SOC it's the 'big' streams and patterns of data on which is zoomed in. For this reason the system is made (and learns to) discriminate against payment methods that are known to be abused. Is this bad? Well.. do you want these scam ads to be around to hurt for example, your grandma? Perhaps it's a necessary evil to make it all work. Yeah the automation is a big problem but this seems to be essential for their scalability to work and be able to provide us all with the services they offer.