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Google doesn't know how to do any non-competing product ... they ether build the best in class, and scale it so much that the edge cases don't matter or compete

Google doesn't know how to do any non-competing product ... they ether build the best in class, and scale it so much that the edge cases don't matter or compete and lose each time from smartphones to cloud to all the services where it wasn't google in the lead by far. What I understood from people who work there it's impossible to even know how's responsible for what, so chaotic organizational structure and lake of accountability / ownership / freedom to take something to the finish line.

red_trumpet 4y ago
Android is the world wide market leader of smartphone operating systems, why do you claim Google lost smartphones?
- bastardoperator 4y ago
  Profits, look at Apple. They're not even close to selling the most phones, but they're making the most money from the smartphone market. When you have one of two choices and the second choice is much less profitable, from a business perspective, you're losing.
  - thehappypm 4y ago
    Maybe, maybe not. Android is still a major, major feeder to other Google projects.
    - bastardoperator 4y ago
      It's not a maybe, Apple continues to be the leader in the space when it comes to profits despite shipping 87% less units. "Apple has been the biggest profit and revenue generator in the handset business. In Q2 2021, it captured 75% of the overall handset market operating profit and 40% of the revenue despite contributing a relatively moderate 13% to global handset shipments."
      - thehappypm 4y ago
        I dont dispute the profitability, but I do think Android is a major contributor to Google’s bottom line and shouldn’t be discounted as worthless.
- lern_too_spel 4y ago
  Pixel and Nexus have been business failures.
  - seanp2k2 4y ago
    They were never really intended to "win" because Google values their partnerships with other phone mfgs. They spend way less on marketing the Pixels and they really exist just to keep mfgs honest and to showcase what Android can/should do when it's not inundated with bloatware and crappy firmware/drivers. Meanwhile, Samsung is trying to sell you a Tizen dishwasher with dedicated Bixby buttons that sells data to marketing agencies and will irreparably break within a few years.
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    - lern_too_spel 4y ago
      They want to win. They just can't due to incompetence. If it were just to showcase what Android can be, they would have just kept the cheaper Android One or Nexus programs instead of going full Pixel.

red_trumpet 4y ago

Android is the world wide market leader of smartphone operating systems, why do you claim Google lost smartphones?

bastardoperator 4y ago
Profits, look at Apple. They're not even close to selling the most phones, but they're making the most money from the smartphone market. When you have one of two choices and the second choice is much less profitable, from a business perspective, you're losing.
- thehappypm 4y ago
  Maybe, maybe not. Android is still a major, major feeder to other Google projects.
  - bastardoperator 4y ago
    It's not a maybe, Apple continues to be the leader in the space when it comes to profits despite shipping 87% less units. "Apple has been the biggest profit and revenue generator in the handset business. In Q2 2021, it captured 75% of the overall handset market operating profit and 40% of the revenue despite contributing a relatively moderate 13% to global handset shipments."
    - thehappypm 4y ago
      I dont dispute the profitability, but I do think Android is a major contributor to Google’s bottom line and shouldn’t be discounted as worthless.
lern_too_spel 4y ago
Pixel and Nexus have been business failures.
- seanp2k2 4y ago
  They were never really intended to "win" because Google values their partnerships with other phone mfgs. They spend way less on marketing the Pixels and they really exist just to keep mfgs honest and to showcase what Android can/should do when it's not inundated with bloatware and crappy firmware/drivers. Meanwhile, Samsung is trying to sell you a Tizen dishwasher with dedicated Bixby buttons that sells data to marketing agencies and will irreparably break within a few years.
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  - lern_too_spel 4y ago
    They want to win. They just can't due to incompetence. If it were just to showcase what Android can be, they would have just kept the cheaper Android One or Nexus programs instead of going full Pixel.