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This is changing especially among the young. If you can't afford a relaxed housing, it matters very little that your manager is a 8 whereas the other one is a

This is changing especially among the young. If you can't afford a relaxed housing, it matters very little that your manager is a 8 whereas the other one is a 6. If you've got basic meets met, the other things matter far more. Aside from compounding factors, that's really what's happening here. People are fighting decades of lackadaisical attitude slowly making what was the status quo unreachable, despite efficiency increasing tremendously and doubling the working population. For no good reason but "the economy says so". Even software devs across the world aren't immune.

ChrisMarshallNY 4y ago
That's a fair assessment. But software developers are really highly-paid, compared to a lot of vocations. I'm not sure how many of us truly appreciate that. We get to complain about not being able to afford million-dollar Capes in Palo Alto, while teachers can't afford a trailer in East Palo Alto. We have the rare luxury of being able to choose.
- BlargMcLarg 4y ago
  >But software developers are really highly-paid Across the globe this is starting to become false. "Highly-paid" compared to the average, yes, maybe. "Highly-paid" according to previous status quo, no, not at all. That's why I specifically mentioned software developers aren't immune, you need additional traits tacked on to make that claim (combination of e.g. working for international companies, in a well-paid tech hub, senior+, and/or others). Many places, median income can't afford housing, sometimes not get past rent requirements, and more. Many of these places, developers start at-or-below median and need 5 years to comfortably get past it. Yes, they'll outearn teachers in an even worse spot. But if the argument then becomes "well at least they can afford the bottom of the RE ladder, whereas teachers can't afford anything", I'll retaliate and ask how much that society has failed to make almost the entire working populace go down several notches, given those teachers were able to live comfortably a few generations ago.
  - ChrisMarshallNY 4y ago
    Well, you are not wrong. Sadly, I think that our exchange is at an end. > I'll retaliate I did not realize that I was in a fight. I simply shared my own experience, relevant to the story, then made the mistake of expressing a personal observation/opinion. It did have a bit of “personal bias,” as there are several teachers in my family and circle of friends. I apologize, and I’m done here. Have a great day!
    - BlargMcLarg 4y ago
      I wasn't trying to fight you specifically. The hypothetical situation I sketched was different from your personal anecdote because I didn't want to fight, rather show the common mantra isn't so simple outside the typical bubbles.

ChrisMarshallNY 4y ago

That's a fair assessment. But software developers are really highly-paid, compared to a lot of vocations. I'm not sure how many of us truly appreciate that. We get to complain about not being able to afford million-dollar Capes in Palo Alto, while teachers can't afford a trailer in East Palo Alto. We have the rare luxury of being able to choose.

BlargMcLarg 4y ago
>But software developers are really highly-paid Across the globe this is starting to become false. "Highly-paid" compared to the average, yes, maybe. "Highly-paid" according to previous status quo, no, not at all. That's why I specifically mentioned software developers aren't immune, you need additional traits tacked on to make that claim (combination of e.g. working for international companies, in a well-paid tech hub, senior+, and/or others). Many places, median income can't afford housing, sometimes not get past rent requirements, and more. Many of these places, developers start at-or-below median and need 5 years to comfortably get past it. Yes, they'll outearn teachers in an even worse spot. But if the argument then becomes "well at least they can afford the bottom of the RE ladder, whereas teachers can't afford anything", I'll retaliate and ask how much that society has failed to make almost the entire working populace go down several notches, given those teachers were able to live comfortably a few generations ago.
- ChrisMarshallNY 4y ago
  Well, you are not wrong. Sadly, I think that our exchange is at an end. > I'll retaliate I did not realize that I was in a fight. I simply shared my own experience, relevant to the story, then made the mistake of expressing a personal observation/opinion. It did have a bit of “personal bias,” as there are several teachers in my family and circle of friends. I apologize, and I’m done here. Have a great day!
  - BlargMcLarg 4y ago
    I wasn't trying to fight you specifically. The hypothetical situation I sketched was different from your personal anecdote because I didn't want to fight, rather show the common mantra isn't so simple outside the typical bubbles.