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Secure chips like this are already in all devices but PCs. And in none of these areas has any of that happened. Quite the opposite, Apple got a fine when they s

by dx034 4y ago

Secure chips like this are already in all devices but PCs. And in none of these areas has any of that happened. Quite the opposite, Apple got a fine when they slowed down older devices to save battery (at least what they said). So the government will clearly help out here. And none of these companies has an incentives to stop sales to smaller companies, they make a lot of money with those.

reedjosh 4y ago
> So the government will clearly help out here. The government is probably part of the driving factor in building this system. The government probably doesn't want Wikileaks type material to be rendered. There are _so_ many ways the government likely wants to abuse this.
fsflover 4y ago
> Quite the opposite, Apple got a fine when they slowed down older devices to save battery But the devices were actually slowed down, so the danger is real.
- dx034 4y ago
  And Apple had to revert it and got punished for it. What more do you want?
  - fsflover 4y ago
    Good laws should prevent crimes, not just punish for committing them.
autoexec 4y ago
> Secure chips like this are already in all devices but PCs. And in none of these areas has any of that happened. Ah, that must be why we all have root access and can freely modify or install anything we want on every device we own! Oh, wait, we don't have those things and our non-PC systems are increasingly locked down and routinely do things against the wishes of the people who own them.
hyperdimension 4y ago
> So the government will clearly help out here. I...don't share your optimism, to put it lightly.
_abox 4y ago
Try to install a BitTorrent client on your iphone, or a game emulator, a sexually explicit game or even a browser with a different engine. All this has already happened since 2008 when the app store came out.
- reedjosh 4y ago
  But you could work around it at the software level. With this tech stack, you wouldn't be able to.
  - _abox 4y ago
    Work around how? As a developer? I'm sure there will be developer options for this too. After all, Microsoft is not going to make all the software themselves. But they could restrict this too. For a lot of platforms you now have to sign up for a developer account and license agreement. Like on iOS, Oculus Quest..
- lossolo 4y ago
  Soon you will be able to do it in EU, thanks to government.

by dx034 4y ago

reedjosh 4y ago

> So the government will clearly help out here. The government is probably part of the driving factor in building this system. The government probably doesn't want Wikileaks type material to be rendered. There are _so_ many ways the government likely wants to abuse this.

fsflover 4y ago

> Quite the opposite, Apple got a fine when they slowed down older devices to save battery But the devices were actually slowed down, so the danger is real.

dx034 4y ago
And Apple had to revert it and got punished for it. What more do you want?
- fsflover 4y ago
  Good laws should prevent crimes, not just punish for committing them.

autoexec 4y ago

> Secure chips like this are already in all devices but PCs. And in none of these areas has any of that happened. Ah, that must be why we all have root access and can freely modify or install anything we want on every device we own! Oh, wait, we don't have those things and our non-PC systems are increasingly locked down and routinely do things against the wishes of the people who own them.

hyperdimension 4y ago

> So the government will clearly help out here. I...don't share your optimism, to put it lightly.

_abox 4y ago

Try to install a BitTorrent client on your iphone, or a game emulator, a sexually explicit game or even a browser with a different engine. All this has already happened since 2008 when the app store came out.

reedjosh 4y ago
But you could work around it at the software level. With this tech stack, you wouldn't be able to.
- _abox 4y ago
  Work around how? As a developer? I'm sure there will be developer options for this too. After all, Microsoft is not going to make all the software themselves. But they could restrict this too. For a lot of platforms you now have to sign up for a developer account and license agreement. Like on iOS, Oculus Quest..
lossolo 4y ago
Soon you will be able to do it in EU, thanks to government.