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>then you'll end up with poor quality housing. I’m not at all convinced this is something worth caring about. In most sectors of the economy it is possible to

>then you'll end up with poor quality housing. I’m not at all convinced this is something worth caring about. In most sectors of the economy it is possible to get low quality for low money.

frumper 4y ago
Quality does matter and can have serious consequences. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Surfside_condominium_collapse https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Surfside_condominium_collapse
- parkingrift 4y ago
  40 year old building that criminally ignored maintenance. I wouldn't cite that as a cautionary tale on building cheap. Multi-tenant buildings should always have a bigger regulatory burden than single family. However, building a single family home should have most regulatory burdens removed and let homeowners take responsibility for choosing their own tradeoffs.
  - frumper 4y ago
    I'd call it a cautionary tale of favoring lower costs over being safer. It would also be outrageous and tragic if 3 kids died in a substandard home. The problem with letting homeowners take responsibility is that most of the homeowners don't direct the building of their homes. So to ensure the homeowner has a basic understanding of what they're buying we implement minimum standards in a building code. We even have a permit process to make sure that those standards are planned for and met with inspections at various points.
EdwardDiego 4y ago
A poorly built building, disregarding catastrophic collapse, can a) affect your health. [0] b) lose large amounts of value, requiring significant investment of extra capital to remedy. Given a home is usually a person's largest investment, this can be ruinous. [1] [2] [3] There's a reason building designs are regulated, and plans checked to ensure that they're appropriate for the planned site. Again, not saying that building consent processing shouldn't be sped up, it's a significant bottle-neck, but you have to accept that old trade-off, fast, good, cheap, choose two. I'm not sure what level of government handles these things in Florida, is it at a county level? Anyhow, how have they implemented changes in response to this bill? Have they hired additional staff? How is that being funded, is it coming at the cost of other municipal spending, or will they increase application fees or taxes? Or, will they just start rubber-stamping applications to meet the requirements with the staff they have? Or, were they just all sitting around with their thumbs up their butt? I highly doubt it's the latter, but seeing as it was implied throughout the entire article, I'll offer it for consideration. The article was completely silent on this. And history is rife with the unintended consequences of well-intentioned policies. For example, when a centre-right government in my country wanted to reduce the amount of people on waiting lists for publicly funded elective procedures, it set targets, and penalties. But it didn't increase funding, as it believed that there was "waste" in the system, so wanted the healthcare providers to reduce that "waste" and use it to fund more surgeries. Then the consequences kicked in - people were put on "secret" waiting lists until they could be seen within the timeframes set by central government for the "official" waiting list [4]. Some people were simply not put on a waiting list for surgery they needed, because they wouldn't get it in time. [0]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indoor_mold#Causes_and_growing_conditions https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indoor_mold#Causes_and_growing... [1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leaky_homes_crisis https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leaky_homes_crisis [2]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leaky_condo_crisis https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leaky_condo_crisis [3]: http://users.encs.concordia.ca/~raojw/crd/reference/reference001153.html http://users.encs.concordia.ca/~raojw/crd/reference/referenc... [4]: https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/memo-reveals-secret-waiting-list/MLWUKZOPFVC53PBYEO3RXYM54I/ https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/memo-reveals-secret-waiting-li...
sparkbII 4y ago
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Surfside_condominium_collapse https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Surfside_condominium_collapse

>then you'll end up with poor quality housing. I’m not at all convinced this is something worth caring about. In most sectors of the economy it is possible to get low quality for low money.

frumper 4y ago

Quality does matter and can have serious consequences. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Surfside_condominium_collapse https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Surfside_condominium_collapse

parkingrift 4y ago
40 year old building that criminally ignored maintenance. I wouldn't cite that as a cautionary tale on building cheap. Multi-tenant buildings should always have a bigger regulatory burden than single family. However, building a single family home should have most regulatory burdens removed and let homeowners take responsibility for choosing their own tradeoffs.
- frumper 4y ago
  I'd call it a cautionary tale of favoring lower costs over being safer. It would also be outrageous and tragic if 3 kids died in a substandard home. The problem with letting homeowners take responsibility is that most of the homeowners don't direct the building of their homes. So to ensure the homeowner has a basic understanding of what they're buying we implement minimum standards in a building code. We even have a permit process to make sure that those standards are planned for and met with inspections at various points.

EdwardDiego 4y ago

A poorly built building, disregarding catastrophic collapse, can a) affect your health. [0] b) lose large amounts of value, requiring significant investment of extra capital to remedy. Given a home is usually a person's largest investment, this can be ruinous. [1] [2] [3] There's a reason building designs are regulated, and plans checked to ensure that they're appropriate for the planned site. Again, not saying that building consent processing shouldn't be sped up, it's a significant bottle-neck, but you have to accept that old trade-off, fast, good, cheap, choose two. I'm not sure what level of government handles these things in Florida, is it at a county level? Anyhow, how have they implemented changes in response to this bill? Have they hired additional staff? How is that being funded, is it coming at the cost of other municipal spending, or will they increase application fees or taxes? Or, will they just start rubber-stamping applications to meet the requirements with the staff they have? Or, were they just all sitting around with their thumbs up their butt? I highly doubt it's the latter, but seeing as it was implied throughout the entire article, I'll offer it for consideration. The article was completely silent on this. And history is rife with the unintended consequences of well-intentioned policies. For example, when a centre-right government in my country wanted to reduce the amount of people on waiting lists for publicly funded elective procedures, it set targets, and penalties. But it didn't increase funding, as it believed that there was "waste" in the system, so wanted the healthcare providers to reduce that "waste" and use it to fund more surgeries. Then the consequences kicked in - people were put on "secret" waiting lists until they could be seen within the timeframes set by central government for the "official" waiting list [4]. Some people were simply not put on a waiting list for surgery they needed, because they wouldn't get it in time. [0]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indoor_mold#Causes_and_growing_conditions https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indoor_mold#Causes_and_growing... [1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leaky_homes_crisis https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leaky_homes_crisis [2]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leaky_condo_crisis https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leaky_condo_crisis [3]: http://users.encs.concordia.ca/~raojw/crd/reference/reference001153.html http://users.encs.concordia.ca/~raojw/crd/reference/referenc... [4]: https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/memo-reveals-secret-waiting-list/MLWUKZOPFVC53PBYEO3RXYM54I/ https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/memo-reveals-secret-waiting-li...

sparkbII 4y ago

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Surfside_condominium_collapse https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Surfside_condominium_collapse