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VM/370 Community Edition V1R1.2 released
- rbanffy 4y agoI need to update my Docker images with this. In reality, someone needs to write a Hitchhiker's Guide to VM/370, CP and CMS. I haven't been able to do much beyond seeing what's on the disks and running some sample programs.
- nix23 4y agoTrue, But Moshix has pretty good videos: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCR1ajTWGiUtiAv8X-hpBY7w https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCR1ajTWGiUtiAv8X-hpBY7w
- cbm-vic-20 4y agoHP needs to do this with VAX/VMS.
- rbanffy 4y agoIf you look at Windows from very, very close, you’ll see the VMS inside it.
- nix23 4y agoNo idea why that could be https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dave_Cutler https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dave_Cutler
- Zenst 4y agoIndeed, the irony that they call it OpenVMS now when you can only get an evaluation for comercial use and they explicitly bar hobbiests is a shame.
- nix23 4y agoOpen has nothing todo with opensource but with "open" abi. Same with OpenServer from SCO
- selfhoster11 4y agoWhat else are we going to congratulate them for, not requiring licensing to open a new TCP socket?
- nix23 4y ago>congratulate Why? Did you do that toward's SCO? But later you found out about BSD's?
- Zenst 4y agoTrue but then it was somewhat a fashion of the time to add Open to things (marketing trying to capitalise upon the Opensource movement heh). For VMS the history is: "In July 1992, DEC renamed VAX/VMS to OpenVMS as an indication for its support of open systems industry standards such as POSIX and Unix compatibility, and to drop the VAX connection since a migration to a different architecture was underway."
- pdw 4y agoIt's referring to the "Open Systems" hype of the 80s / early 90s. The term "open source" became popular only much later. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Open_system_(computing) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Open_system_(computing)
- michaelhoffman 4y agoIt definitely was a fashion then to add "open" to names but this predates the wide use of the term "open source". https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Open_source#Open_source_as_a_term https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Open_source#Open_source_as_a_t...
- rwmj 4y agoLicense is "interesting": The base operating system is IBM's VM/370 Release 6 operating system, the last unlicensed version of VM/370. Wikipedia has a bit more history about this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VM_(operating_system)#History https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VM_(operating_system)#History I'm guessing because they didn't have attached copyright notices as required in US law at the time they fell into public domain, like happened to It's a Wonderful Life (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/It%27s_a_Wonderful_Life#Ownership_and_copyright_issues https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/It%27s_a_Wonderful_Life#Owners...).
- skissane 4y ago> I'm guessing because they didn't have attached copyright notices as required in US law at the time they fell into public domain In IBM’s case, it wasn’t an oversight, it was an intentional decision. They intentionally put their core mainframe operating systems into the public domain, but they still copyrighted certain applications and add-ons. In later versions (like this one and its immediate predecessors), most new OS features went into copyrighted add-ons only, and the core OS by itself became more and more backward and limited. Then eventually, they came out with new versions of their operating systems where even the core was copyrighted. They did use other methods of “closing” software than copyright - much of MVS was written in a proprietary dialect of PL/I for which no compiler was publicly available. So even though they shipped the source code to customers, and the source code was public domain, nobody could compile it (unless you wrote your own compiler). VM/CMS (especially at this stage) was still mostly assembler though, so it was easier to modify than MVS was.
- notorandit 4y agoReally?
- Koshkin 4y agoHistoria vero testis temporum, lux veritatis, vita memoriae, magistra vitae, nuntia vetustatis, qua voce alia nisi oratoris immortalitati commendatur?
- notorandit 4y agoHistoria docet historiam numquam docere.
- protomyth 4y agoNow if I can get XEDIT, 370 Assembler, and a Modula 2 compiler, I could recreate my college experience.
- rbanffy 4y agoYou’ll need a beam spring keyboard. ;-)
- protomyth 4y agoI actually have one (or close to it) since we have an old AS/400 terminal in the backroom. We bought a new iSeries and that, sadly, uses a PC as a console terminal.
- Koshkin 4y agoGoing back to where you lived before is the best (if not the only) way to cure yourself of nostalgia. (You may or may not want to do that.)
- protomyth 4y agoI gotta admit XEDIT was kind of interesting for the left side command area. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/XEDIT https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/XEDIT
- rbanffy 4y agoNot sure I agree completely with that. These were simpler OSs for a simpler time. A lot of what I do today I accomplished in the 80s with an Apple II, a phone line, and a modem. I read emails (we didn’t call them that back then), wrote software, built databases, discussed esoteric topics in BBSs… Even met my first wife online over a Minitel-like system.
- Koshkin 4y agoSure, but you might lose some of the fondness of those memories if you tried and repeat the same experience today.
- TomMasz 4y agoThis is the OS I started out on. It's been a long time since I typed #CP IPL CMS PARM AUTOCR on a 3270.
- rbanffy 4y agoI still remember starting the Mantis IDE (we didn’t call them IDEs at the time) with a //EXEC PGM=MANTIS