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City of the future built by a government stuck in the dark ages.

by inversefft 4y ago

ahamedirshad123 4y ago
That's applicable for the US too.
- d2049 4y ago
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whataboutism https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whataboutism
- whitepoplar 4y ago
  No.
- rutledjw 4y ago
  What "city of the future" has the US built? We can barely get decent public transit in most cities? But we're certainly headed to the dark ages...
  - albalus 4y ago
    Yeep back sliding into ranch flavored Afghanistan.
  - UberFly 4y ago
    Like technology, cities of the future are slowly built. Just dig into what New York city is doing in alternate/green energy. This doesn't happen overnight, unless you're a magical Middle-Eastern YouTube video.
  - Animats 4y ago
    > What "city of the future" has the US built? Los Angeles.
- panick21_ 4y ago
  Not really. The US had its absurd large scale infrastructure spending. Looking at you Robert Moses. But they didn't just walk out into a field and start planning insane cities.
teleforce 4y ago
If you're refering to dark ages it's only applicable to Europe just like Black Death is mainly European based pandemic [1],[2]. When Europe is in their dark ages the rest of the world seems fine. Heck it is only applicable to certain parts of Europe because some of the European countries and regions are doing really well [2],[3]. You probably know this anyway hence new account for trolling. [1]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dark_Ages_(historiography) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dark_Ages_(historiography) [2]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Death https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Death [3]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Constantinople https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Constantinople [4]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/C%C3%B3rdoba,_Spain https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/C%C3%B3rdoba,_Spain
- bigDinosaur 4y ago
  China and India likely had huge numbers dead due to the Bubonic Plague, but it's poorly recorded as far as I know. Definitely not 'mainly' a European pandemic, although it had such a great influence on European culture that we still talk about it today.
  - Andrew_nenakhov 4y ago
    The Bubonic Plague and the resulting depopulation is the root cause of humanism, Renaissance, Enlightenment, and eventual recognition of human rights.
  - teleforce 4y ago
    It's mainly a European pandemic. During the 14th century CE when the Black Death occurred, China and India were the two biggest and richest empires with the most literacy in the world. The probability that such significant event was not properly recorded is very low. Most of the Asian countries' history that we know today including Japan are known from the ancient and later Chinese writings [1]. [1]Japanese History Documented in Chinese Writings: https://studycorgi.com/japanese-history-documented-in-chinese-writings/ https://studycorgi.com/japanese-history-documented-in-chines...
    - 4y ago
daenz 4y ago
I'd prefer it to a city of the dark ages built by a government of the future.
- DocTomoe 4y ago
  That exists, it's called Disneyland.
  - mxkopy 4y ago
    Don't say the Mouse's name in vain?
    - IIAOPSW 4y ago
      That's the Prime Minimouse to you.
- panick21_ 4y ago
  I would prefer a city of the dark ages MANAGED by government of the present. And since the dark ages are just part of the middle ages and we stretch our definition a bit, that's mostly what we have in Europe.
somenameforme 4y ago
Building something like this in a democratic society is probably impossible. The reason is that there would be massive opposition to this and rhetorically powerful claims that the trillions of dollars this would cost in a Western society could be put to better use. Even if, by some Deus ex machina, one administration managed to get this project going, the next to come into power would likely can it. Space is a perfect example. There's no technical reason we haven't established footholds on Mars and even the Moon, beyond the dilemma posed above. One administration would start a grand space program, the next would cancel it with partisan criticism, and start their own. And this has been going on for half a century. Real progress back towards space only meaningfully restarted when private companies (or the owners thereof) started to become wealthy enough to fund their own space programs, without any regard for social criticism or worry about their leadership being canned next year if they don't get enough votes. Ironically this helped also somewhat kickstart governments back towards a focus on space as well.
- spywaregorilla 4y ago
  > There's no technical reason we haven't established footholds on Mars and even the Moon Lack of atmosphere, dangerous voyage, radiation, lack of easily available nutrients, dangerous weather, different gravity, likely one way voyages and of course the everpresent lack of any particular economic incentive to do so
  - AtlasBarfed 4y ago
    The amount of material resources in space are breathtaking. Asteroid mining has the potential of delivering multiples of the amount of elements we've mined for our entire history in single asteroids. That alone could sustain a space economy. There also isn't our massive gravity well. If you have materials (see point 1) it is easier to build large installations. We should be able to build GIGANTIC underground habitats in the moon. There was also the powers-of-ten energy use as we climb Kardashev levels. That only happens with space settlement. The other economic fact is that we have too many people for the Earth to sustain already AT THE CONSUMPTION THEY WANT. Sure we can impose a resource restriction by fiat (communism/authoritarian) or availability/poverty (capitalism), take your pick. Space will come more easily with cybernetics. In a hundred years humans may be very very very different. But footholds are worthwhile. But ultimately your comment harkens to the lack of vision of humanity, mostly I view it as a sign of increased control by the leisure elite over the world. They control the money and politics, and all they want are status and enjoyment, and the rest of the world to support them. We have a thin margin for species survival right now. It's kind of like how when the tipping point for global warming in the 1990s was happening, everyone in America bought SUVs. Sad.

City of the future built by a government stuck in the dark ages.

ahamedirshad123 4y ago

That's applicable for the US too.

d2049 4y ago
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whataboutism https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whataboutism
whitepoplar 4y ago
No.
rutledjw 4y ago
What "city of the future" has the US built? We can barely get decent public transit in most cities? But we're certainly headed to the dark ages...
- albalus 4y ago
  Yeep back sliding into ranch flavored Afghanistan.
- UberFly 4y ago
  Like technology, cities of the future are slowly built. Just dig into what New York city is doing in alternate/green energy. This doesn't happen overnight, unless you're a magical Middle-Eastern YouTube video.
- Animats 4y ago
  > What "city of the future" has the US built? Los Angeles.
panick21_ 4y ago
Not really. The US had its absurd large scale infrastructure spending. Looking at you Robert Moses. But they didn't just walk out into a field and start planning insane cities.

teleforce 4y ago

If you're refering to dark ages it's only applicable to Europe just like Black Death is mainly European based pandemic [1],[2]. When Europe is in their dark ages the rest of the world seems fine. Heck it is only applicable to certain parts of Europe because some of the European countries and regions are doing really well [2],[3]. You probably know this anyway hence new account for trolling. [1]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dark_Ages_(historiography) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dark_Ages_(historiography) [2]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Death https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Death [3]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Constantinople https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Constantinople [4]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/C%C3%B3rdoba,_Spain https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/C%C3%B3rdoba,_Spain

bigDinosaur 4y ago
China and India likely had huge numbers dead due to the Bubonic Plague, but it's poorly recorded as far as I know. Definitely not 'mainly' a European pandemic, although it had such a great influence on European culture that we still talk about it today.
- Andrew_nenakhov 4y ago
  The Bubonic Plague and the resulting depopulation is the root cause of humanism, Renaissance, Enlightenment, and eventual recognition of human rights.
- teleforce 4y ago
  It's mainly a European pandemic. During the 14th century CE when the Black Death occurred, China and India were the two biggest and richest empires with the most literacy in the world. The probability that such significant event was not properly recorded is very low. Most of the Asian countries' history that we know today including Japan are known from the ancient and later Chinese writings [1]. [1]Japanese History Documented in Chinese Writings: https://studycorgi.com/japanese-history-documented-in-chinese-writings/ https://studycorgi.com/japanese-history-documented-in-chines...
  - 4y ago

daenz 4y ago

I'd prefer it to a city of the dark ages built by a government of the future.

DocTomoe 4y ago
That exists, it's called Disneyland.
- mxkopy 4y ago
  Don't say the Mouse's name in vain?
  - IIAOPSW 4y ago
    That's the Prime Minimouse to you.
panick21_ 4y ago
I would prefer a city of the dark ages MANAGED by government of the present. And since the dark ages are just part of the middle ages and we stretch our definition a bit, that's mostly what we have in Europe.

somenameforme 4y ago

Building something like this in a democratic society is probably impossible. The reason is that there would be massive opposition to this and rhetorically powerful claims that the trillions of dollars this would cost in a Western society could be put to better use. Even if, by some Deus ex machina, one administration managed to get this project going, the next to come into power would likely can it. Space is a perfect example. There's no technical reason we haven't established footholds on Mars and even the Moon, beyond the dilemma posed above. One administration would start a grand space program, the next would cancel it with partisan criticism, and start their own. And this has been going on for half a century. Real progress back towards space only meaningfully restarted when private companies (or the owners thereof) started to become wealthy enough to fund their own space programs, without any regard for social criticism or worry about their leadership being canned next year if they don't get enough votes. Ironically this helped also somewhat kickstart governments back towards a focus on space as well.

spywaregorilla 4y ago
> There's no technical reason we haven't established footholds on Mars and even the Moon Lack of atmosphere, dangerous voyage, radiation, lack of easily available nutrients, dangerous weather, different gravity, likely one way voyages and of course the everpresent lack of any particular economic incentive to do so
- AtlasBarfed 4y ago
  The amount of material resources in space are breathtaking. Asteroid mining has the potential of delivering multiples of the amount of elements we've mined for our entire history in single asteroids. That alone could sustain a space economy. There also isn't our massive gravity well. If you have materials (see point 1) it is easier to build large installations. We should be able to build GIGANTIC underground habitats in the moon. There was also the powers-of-ten energy use as we climb Kardashev levels. That only happens with space settlement. The other economic fact is that we have too many people for the Earth to sustain already AT THE CONSUMPTION THEY WANT. Sure we can impose a resource restriction by fiat (communism/authoritarian) or availability/poverty (capitalism), take your pick. Space will come more easily with cybernetics. In a hundred years humans may be very very very different. But footholds are worthwhile. But ultimately your comment harkens to the lack of vision of humanity, mostly I view it as a sign of increased control by the leisure elite over the world. They control the money and politics, and all they want are status and enjoyment, and the rest of the world to support them. We have a thin margin for species survival right now. It's kind of like how when the tipping point for global warming in the 1990s was happening, everyone in America bought SUVs. Sad.