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I'm gonna play devil's advocate here. I pretty much agree with all your points, but what I see here is that VRChat developers or product people are choosing th

I'm gonna play devil's advocate here. I pretty much agree with all your points, but what I see here is that VRChat developers or product people are choosing the solution that requires the least effort. They may have other features or fixes in their roadmap and decided to squash all the fixes into a single one: banning them. If I were them, given the popularity of modified clients I'd try to turn that into a feature that sets them appart from other competitors, but I still think it's a rational choice to ban them given how much developer time costs.

aeternum 4y ago
If the true goal is to enable creators, why not let the creators choose whether to require EAC to connect. It should not require much extra developer time at all to let both users and creators choose whether to join an EAC or non-EAC instance.
- kfarr 4y ago
  Excellent idea, and in theory others could create better alternatives for centralized moderation.
gexla 4y ago
That's what I was going to say. The bullet points sound like a ton of work. And I'm sure the devs put considerable effort into exploring these points. There may have even been code in the repo to address these points.
KennyBlanken 4y ago
EAC is about protecting game files. This is to protect cosmetic sales, nothing else.
- judge2020 4y ago
  You can already import any models you want (read: models you purchase from eg. gumroad) by uploading them through their unity sdk.
falcolas 4y ago
Here’s the problem: they trust the client. The client is in the hands of malicious actors. Anti-cheat - even ring-0 anti-cheat - does not make the client trustable. The client is still in malicious hands, and that trust will continue to be abused. Their “simplest possible solution” has not solved the problem.
- thrashh 4y ago
  Don’t let perfection be the enemy of good We don’t put locks on our doors because they’re unbreakable but because they are the right compromise between cost and benefit
- drdaeman 4y ago
  More than this, it sounds like a serious net negative to me. Legit users who had modded their clients to have some perfectly fine features (such as performance enhancements) are SOL - they aren't gonna risk it just for features they've lost, they either gonna live with whatever's left or just abandon it entirely. And those with malicious intent are gonna just work around the anticheat (because why not - what they're doing is most likely was some bannable offense already) and continue. Yes, there's some barrier but just the other day we had a thread where DMA hacks were mentioned (and PCIe cards for that are pretty cheap) - does EAC has anything against those tools?

aeternum 4y ago

If the true goal is to enable creators, why not let the creators choose whether to require EAC to connect. It should not require much extra developer time at all to let both users and creators choose whether to join an EAC or non-EAC instance.

kfarr 4y ago
Excellent idea, and in theory others could create better alternatives for centralized moderation.

gexla 4y ago

That's what I was going to say. The bullet points sound like a ton of work. And I'm sure the devs put considerable effort into exploring these points. There may have even been code in the repo to address these points.

KennyBlanken 4y ago

EAC is about protecting game files. This is to protect cosmetic sales, nothing else.

judge2020 4y ago
You can already import any models you want (read: models you purchase from eg. gumroad) by uploading them through their unity sdk.

falcolas 4y ago

Here’s the problem: they trust the client. The client is in the hands of malicious actors. Anti-cheat - even ring-0 anti-cheat - does not make the client trustable. The client is still in malicious hands, and that trust will continue to be abused. Their “simplest possible solution” has not solved the problem.

thrashh 4y ago
Don’t let perfection be the enemy of good We don’t put locks on our doors because they’re unbreakable but because they are the right compromise between cost and benefit
drdaeman 4y ago
More than this, it sounds like a serious net negative to me. Legit users who had modded their clients to have some perfectly fine features (such as performance enhancements) are SOL - they aren't gonna risk it just for features they've lost, they either gonna live with whatever's left or just abandon it entirely. And those with malicious intent are gonna just work around the anticheat (because why not - what they're doing is most likely was some bannable offense already) and continue. Yes, there's some barrier but just the other day we had a thread where DMA hacks were mentioned (and PCIe cards for that are pretty cheap) - does EAC has anything against those tools?