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I doubt any of the IT infrastructure in Canada is build by the “best of us”. And it shows, banking, healthcare, telecom, they are all stuck somewhere in the 90s

I doubt any of the IT infrastructure in Canada is build by the “best of us”. And it shows, banking, healthcare, telecom, they are all stuck somewhere in the 90s.

ilrwbwrkhv 4y ago
I doubt any "best of us" stay in Canada. It is a fiercely mediocre place.
- jonny_eh 4y ago
  The US is trying very hard to convince the best of us to move back to Canada.
  - dylan604 4y ago
    As well as making some of the natives wish they could go with (but that's pretty much been the case since at least late 60s.
- fezfight 4y ago
- chx 4y ago
  When I was deciding on where to immigrate to in 2006, I had job offers from the UK, Canada and the USA. I ruled out the USA because of the CFAA. I do not like second guessing everything I do online whether it violates a badly written federal law. Of course, United States v. Elcom Ltd. didn't make me much happier. Three Felonies A Day came out later and it just strengthens all this. We also should mention the almost complete lack of social net and the insane health care system. There are numerous arguments that by now the United States is a failed state https://www.thenation.com/article/world/trump-usa-election/ https://www.thenation.com/article/world/trump-usa-election/ https://eand.co/how-america-collapsed-and-became-a-fourth-world-country-db9829323a9a https://eand.co/how-america-collapsed-and-became-a-fourth-wo... etc.
bloodyplonker22 4y ago
The best of us can't be bothered with those insignificant things! They're too busy building algorithms to squeeze every penny out of advertisement dollars on social media.
- eru 4y ago
  And can you blame them? That's where the money is. And even if you are into charity, it's usually more efficient for you as an individual to make more money and then donate to whatever GiweWell lists at the top of their list of most bang-for-your-back charities. Instead of working in a soup kitchen, or a Canadian bank.
  - bloodyplonker22 4y ago
    oh I am absolutely not blaming anyone! The free market is an efficient machine in this case. It simply means that there is room for innovation in those industries like healthcare and banking. We have already started to see this innovation with companies like One Medical and Square.
    - stevenjgarner 4y ago
      If only telecommunications was a free market.
      - eru 4y ago
        In general, I found it helpful to not look at 'free markets' as a binary Yes/No thing, but as a continuum with lots of different aspects. Free markets are best, but markets that are only slightly freer are (typically) already slightly better. Incremental improvements help. For example, mobile phone connectivity is still very regulated, but in many countries competition seems to be much fiercer there than for home broadband.
        stevenjgarner 4y ago
        > I found it helpful to not look at 'free markets' as a binary Yes/No thing, but as a continuum with lots of different aspects. I am curious. What are some of those aspects?
thr0wawayf00 4y ago
Yeah, because they probably still pay like it's the 90s.
- Insanity 4y ago
  I think there are more fundamental issues - especially in healthcare infrastructure.
- boopboopbadoop 4y ago
  For the Phoenix government payroll system, they paid IBM like it was the 2090s and it’s still broken.
- Barrin92 4y ago
  having to deal with legacy systems and interoparabality is a significantly bigger issue than developer pay as evidenced by the very well working digital infrastructure in much poorer countries that just leapfrogged the old stuff.
  - throwawaysleep 4y ago
    But in poorer countries, those companies probably pay relatively well. Sure they make less than Canadian developers at big banks, but they relatively make more so they would be better in many cases.
    - Barrin92 4y ago
      they pay relatively well in Canada too, and for arguments sake, the US which has probably the best paid devs across the board has a financial infrastructure from hell when it comes to payments or money transfers. It's just tech debt. If you've ever been to China, it's crazy how well WeChat works. There's just nothing like it in the EU or the US because we have 20 different decades old things for everything that people can't or won't replace.
      - throwawaysleep 4y ago
donmcronald 4y ago
> banking, healthcare, telecom, they are all stuck somewhere in the 90s. Some of the eHealth stuff uses active FTP connections, so this isn't even an exaggeration.
- derwiki 4y ago
  Hmm, you probably shouldn’t look at how ACH works then
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I doubt any of the IT infrastructure in Canada is build by the “best of us”. And it shows, banking, healthcare, telecom, they are all stuck somewhere in the 90s.

ilrwbwrkhv 4y ago

I doubt any "best of us" stay in Canada. It is a fiercely mediocre place.

jonny_eh 4y ago
The US is trying very hard to convince the best of us to move back to Canada.
- dylan604 4y ago
  As well as making some of the natives wish they could go with (but that's pretty much been the case since at least late 60s.
fezfight 4y ago
chx 4y ago
When I was deciding on where to immigrate to in 2006, I had job offers from the UK, Canada and the USA. I ruled out the USA because of the CFAA. I do not like second guessing everything I do online whether it violates a badly written federal law. Of course, United States v. Elcom Ltd. didn't make me much happier. Three Felonies A Day came out later and it just strengthens all this. We also should mention the almost complete lack of social net and the insane health care system. There are numerous arguments that by now the United States is a failed state https://www.thenation.com/article/world/trump-usa-election/ https://www.thenation.com/article/world/trump-usa-election/ https://eand.co/how-america-collapsed-and-became-a-fourth-world-country-db9829323a9a https://eand.co/how-america-collapsed-and-became-a-fourth-wo... etc.

bloodyplonker22 4y ago

The best of us can't be bothered with those insignificant things! They're too busy building algorithms to squeeze every penny out of advertisement dollars on social media.

eru 4y ago
And can you blame them? That's where the money is. And even if you are into charity, it's usually more efficient for you as an individual to make more money and then donate to whatever GiweWell lists at the top of their list of most bang-for-your-back charities. Instead of working in a soup kitchen, or a Canadian bank.
- bloodyplonker22 4y ago
  oh I am absolutely not blaming anyone! The free market is an efficient machine in this case. It simply means that there is room for innovation in those industries like healthcare and banking. We have already started to see this innovation with companies like One Medical and Square.
  - stevenjgarner 4y ago
    If only telecommunications was a free market.
    - eru 4y ago
      In general, I found it helpful to not look at 'free markets' as a binary Yes/No thing, but as a continuum with lots of different aspects. Free markets are best, but markets that are only slightly freer are (typically) already slightly better. Incremental improvements help. For example, mobile phone connectivity is still very regulated, but in many countries competition seems to be much fiercer there than for home broadband.
      - stevenjgarner 4y ago
        > I found it helpful to not look at 'free markets' as a binary Yes/No thing, but as a continuum with lots of different aspects. I am curious. What are some of those aspects?

thr0wawayf00 4y ago

Yeah, because they probably still pay like it's the 90s.

Insanity 4y ago
I think there are more fundamental issues - especially in healthcare infrastructure.
boopboopbadoop 4y ago
For the Phoenix government payroll system, they paid IBM like it was the 2090s and it’s still broken.
Barrin92 4y ago
having to deal with legacy systems and interoparabality is a significantly bigger issue than developer pay as evidenced by the very well working digital infrastructure in much poorer countries that just leapfrogged the old stuff.
- throwawaysleep 4y ago
  But in poorer countries, those companies probably pay relatively well. Sure they make less than Canadian developers at big banks, but they relatively make more so they would be better in many cases.
  - Barrin92 4y ago
    they pay relatively well in Canada too, and for arguments sake, the US which has probably the best paid devs across the board has a financial infrastructure from hell when it comes to payments or money transfers. It's just tech debt. If you've ever been to China, it's crazy how well WeChat works. There's just nothing like it in the EU or the US because we have 20 different decades old things for everything that people can't or won't replace.
    - throwawaysleep 4y ago

donmcronald 4y ago

> banking, healthcare, telecom, they are all stuck somewhere in the 90s. Some of the eHealth stuff uses active FTP connections, so this isn't even an exaggeration.

derwiki 4y ago
Hmm, you probably shouldn’t look at how ACH works then

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