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> Most "totalitarian" countries don't function by literally throwing people in prison or beating them for saying Bad Things This is demonstrably false. More r

> Most "totalitarian" countries don't function by literally throwing people in prison or beating them for saying Bad Things This is demonstrably false. More recent examples: In Russia, they jailed a lawmaker for being anti-war. They jailed many thousands of protesters for the same thing. In China, almost any criticism of the government comes with the threat of being jailed. (More recently, they've jailed many pro-democracy activists in Hong Kong.) In Myanmar they recently executed pro-democracy activists. I'm sure you can easily find similar examples throughout every totalitarian regime -- assuming that people are not too afraid to make them public. Violence/jail, it turns out, is an effective deterrence.

Sin2x 4y ago
Since I'm myself Russian and residing in Russia, I'd be glad to verify your statements as you weren't kind enough to provide prooflinks. > They jailed many thousands of protesters for the same thing. The same thing being "being anti-war". Well, this one is veritably incorrect, in fact, the opposite is true -- I haven't heard of a single person being jailed for being anti-war. There was a woman who showed an anti-war banner on national television during prime-time, she was fined about $500, Marina Ovsyannikova. So, what's your source? > In Russia, they jailed a lawmaker for being anti-war. Care to share the source here as well? What's his name?
- boplicity 4y ago
  They just arrested Marina Ovsyannikova for "discrediting the actions of the army of Russia" > https://www.rferl.org/a/russia-ovsyannikova-yashin-ukraine/31947497.html https://www.rferl.org/a/russia-ovsyannikova-yashin-ukraine/3... The politician jailed for opposing the war: > https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2022/07/25/vladimir-kara-murza-prison-moscow-election/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2022/07/25/vladimir-... Many thousands of protesters have been detained: > https://www.nytimes.com/2022/03/06/world/europe/police-russia-protests.html https://www.nytimes.com/2022/03/06/world/europe/police-russi... > https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2022/7/15/what-happened-to-russias-anti-war-movement https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2022/7/15/what-happened-to-ru... > https://ovdinfo.org/ https://ovdinfo.org/ If you have any doubts, go ahead and protest for a week straight. Just invoice me for the $500 fine. Nothing to worry about, right?
  - Sin2x 4y ago
    Ovsyannikova and Kara-Murza are not jailed, they are detained and their fate is going to be determined in court. And they are not detained for being anti-war as you said -- they are detained for spreading misinformation -- repeatedly. Yep, just like they would be in the glorious free USA. As for the thousands of protesters being jailed -- you make the same (deliberate?) mistake again -- they are detained, not jailed. And then released with a fine. And again -- they are detained not because they are anti-war but because their protests are illegitimate -- they are not properly registered with the authorities. And guess what? It works the same way in the USA! Makes your comment look in a totally different light now, doesn't it? Oh, and if you didn't know, RFERL is directly sponsored by the US government while WaPo and NYT are covert fronts for the Democratic Party so anything you post from them should be taken with a truckload of salt. The situation in Russia right now in regards of Ukraine war is very simple -- everybody has rallied around Putin and against the West, everybody knows that this war is a proxy war against USA ands Ukraine is just an unlucky puppet. If you see some media telling you otherwise, you should know outright that it lies.
    - _kbh_ 4y ago
      > The situation in Russia right now in regards of Ukraine war is very simple -- everybody has rallied around Putin and against the West, everybody knows that this war is a proxy war against USA ands Ukraine is just an unlucky puppet. If you see some media telling you otherwise, you should know outright that it lies. This isn’t a war against the west, it’s a war of aggression waged by Russia that is killing, torturing and raping civilians. This is a war of survival for Ukraine, if they lose they cease to exist. The Russians have repeatedly said that Ukraine isn’t a real country. The only way that this is a war against the west is that the west is supplying Ukraine against the genocidal Russian army.
    - boplicity 4y ago
      Thank you for the insight into Russian thinking. What are your thoughts in terms of how the war started?
      - 4y ago

Sin2x 4y ago

Since I'm myself Russian and residing in Russia, I'd be glad to verify your statements as you weren't kind enough to provide prooflinks. > They jailed many thousands of protesters for the same thing. The same thing being "being anti-war". Well, this one is veritably incorrect, in fact, the opposite is true -- I haven't heard of a single person being jailed for being anti-war. There was a woman who showed an anti-war banner on national television during prime-time, she was fined about $500, Marina Ovsyannikova. So, what's your source? > In Russia, they jailed a lawmaker for being anti-war. Care to share the source here as well? What's his name?

boplicity 4y ago
They just arrested Marina Ovsyannikova for "discrediting the actions of the army of Russia" > https://www.rferl.org/a/russia-ovsyannikova-yashin-ukraine/31947497.html https://www.rferl.org/a/russia-ovsyannikova-yashin-ukraine/3... The politician jailed for opposing the war: > https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2022/07/25/vladimir-kara-murza-prison-moscow-election/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2022/07/25/vladimir-... Many thousands of protesters have been detained: > https://www.nytimes.com/2022/03/06/world/europe/police-russia-protests.html https://www.nytimes.com/2022/03/06/world/europe/police-russi... > https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2022/7/15/what-happened-to-russias-anti-war-movement https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2022/7/15/what-happened-to-ru... > https://ovdinfo.org/ https://ovdinfo.org/ If you have any doubts, go ahead and protest for a week straight. Just invoice me for the $500 fine. Nothing to worry about, right?
- Sin2x 4y ago
  Ovsyannikova and Kara-Murza are not jailed, they are detained and their fate is going to be determined in court. And they are not detained for being anti-war as you said -- they are detained for spreading misinformation -- repeatedly. Yep, just like they would be in the glorious free USA. As for the thousands of protesters being jailed -- you make the same (deliberate?) mistake again -- they are detained, not jailed. And then released with a fine. And again -- they are detained not because they are anti-war but because their protests are illegitimate -- they are not properly registered with the authorities. And guess what? It works the same way in the USA! Makes your comment look in a totally different light now, doesn't it? Oh, and if you didn't know, RFERL is directly sponsored by the US government while WaPo and NYT are covert fronts for the Democratic Party so anything you post from them should be taken with a truckload of salt. The situation in Russia right now in regards of Ukraine war is very simple -- everybody has rallied around Putin and against the West, everybody knows that this war is a proxy war against USA ands Ukraine is just an unlucky puppet. If you see some media telling you otherwise, you should know outright that it lies.
  - _kbh_ 4y ago
    > The situation in Russia right now in regards of Ukraine war is very simple -- everybody has rallied around Putin and against the West, everybody knows that this war is a proxy war against USA ands Ukraine is just an unlucky puppet. If you see some media telling you otherwise, you should know outright that it lies. This isn’t a war against the west, it’s a war of aggression waged by Russia that is killing, torturing and raping civilians. This is a war of survival for Ukraine, if they lose they cease to exist. The Russians have repeatedly said that Ukraine isn’t a real country. The only way that this is a war against the west is that the west is supplying Ukraine against the genocidal Russian army.
  - boplicity 4y ago
    Thank you for the insight into Russian thinking. What are your thoughts in terms of how the war started?
    - 4y ago