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I'm definitely not lying about this. See: https://twitter.com/Esqueer_/status/1550856205706338305 https://twitter.com/Esqueer_/status/1550856205706338305 Also s

I'm definitely not lying about this. See: https://twitter.com/Esqueer_/status/1550856205706338305 https://twitter.com/Esqueer_/status/1550856205706338305 Also see sibling comment. You can _also_ find people saying the lack of response is because of homophobia, and this is the thing that makes me want to flip a table: the WHO describing reality is morally culpable and causes homophobia per that tweet, the lack of effective response is homophobic, emphasizing the actual events that have had a causal role in the outbreak is homophobic. Homophobia/whatever flavor of the day is the a-priori conclusion, work backwards from there. When you bring up the excesses of this cultural movement, you're told 1. it's not really happening 2. you're just nut picking, or 3. it's actually good. and it's so often tied up with accusations of lying or dishonesty. Like, everyone is so mind poisoned at this point we can't just _disagree_, it's got to be an issue of mendacity or moral corruption.

matthewmacleod 4y ago
I'm definitely not lying about this. The statement “asking gay men to stop having orgies is homophobic” is obviously not the same as the statement "emphasising the focus on men who have sex with men…will lead to a dark place with rampant homophobia", particularly when backed up with lots of examples of exactly that thing happening! It's not that "everyone is so mind poisoned at this point we can't just _disagree_". Indeed, I don't even disagree! I generally think that health authorities do need to understand and talk about community-specific risk, while ensuring that they balance that messaging with the impact that this can have. On the other hand, my own fucking grandmother is now under the impression that I am now at risk from a magical gay disease that's sweeping through the country because of how ham-fisted the communication has been. The problem is that instead of talking about what your concerns were (while taking on board other points of view on the issue and how complex it is) you jumped directly to making up a quote that justified what you already thought. If you want to find a thing that is going to make "everyone is so mind poisoned" then that is what's going to do it.

matthewmacleod 4y ago

I'm definitely not lying about this. The statement “asking gay men to stop having orgies is homophobic” is obviously not the same as the statement "emphasising the focus on men who have sex with men…will lead to a dark place with rampant homophobia", particularly when backed up with lots of examples of exactly that thing happening! It's not that "everyone is so mind poisoned at this point we can't just _disagree_". Indeed, I don't even disagree! I generally think that health authorities do need to understand and talk about community-specific risk, while ensuring that they balance that messaging with the impact that this can have. On the other hand, my own fucking grandmother is now under the impression that I am now at risk from a magical gay disease that's sweeping through the country because of how ham-fisted the communication has been. The problem is that instead of talking about what your concerns were (while taking on board other points of view on the issue and how complex it is) you jumped directly to making up a quote that justified what you already thought. If you want to find a thing that is going to make "everyone is so mind poisoned" then that is what's going to do it.