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> This is true, but then you'll also have to deal with the negative externalities such as traffic, car costs (I think I read here that the median car cost was l

by kory 4y ago

> This is true, but then you'll also have to deal with the negative externalities such as traffic, car costs (I think I read here that the median car cost was like $48,000 now?) high gas prices, traffic fatalities, road maintenance (higher taxes) Society has already decided that these costs are well worth it for the value of living in suburbia > and political unrest since people won't be able to afford to live in homes. It's debatable whether it's the need for a detached house that makes housing unaffordable outside of city cores. Again, the solution is to decentralize. > They're advocating for mixed-use, medium density walkable neighborhoods. Great, but they love to select their desired area then try to force changes on existing residents that purchased a home in the area for a suburban feel. That's the concern people have. Nobody would mind if density advocates founded a new jurisdiction to build a place like this.

ericmay 4y ago
> Society has already decided that these costs are well worth it for the value of living in suburbia Maybe - I mean I'm not sure that society is really making a choice since there doesn't seem to be any sort of market mechanic to decide what to build. But also you'll notice that houses in dense areas are more expensive than suburban homes so the market has decided that the suburban homes are less valuable. It's also not necessarily a good argument in terms of what we should or should not do. > It's debatable whether it's the need for a detached house that makes housing unaffordable outside of city cores. Again, the solution is to decentralize. We are decentralized. > Great, but they love to select their desired area then try to force changes on existing residents that purchased a home in the area for a suburban feel. That's the concern people have. Nobody would mind if density advocates founded a new jurisdiction to build a place like this. See point #1. Alternatively if the people who move there "decide as a society" that it should be different then that's an equivalent argument from your perspective.

by kory 4y ago

ericmay 4y ago

> Society has already decided that these costs are well worth it for the value of living in suburbia Maybe - I mean I'm not sure that society is really making a choice since there doesn't seem to be any sort of market mechanic to decide what to build. But also you'll notice that houses in dense areas are more expensive than suburban homes so the market has decided that the suburban homes are less valuable. It's also not necessarily a good argument in terms of what we should or should not do. > It's debatable whether it's the need for a detached house that makes housing unaffordable outside of city cores. Again, the solution is to decentralize. We are decentralized. > Great, but they love to select their desired area then try to force changes on existing residents that purchased a home in the area for a suburban feel. That's the concern people have. Nobody would mind if density advocates founded a new jurisdiction to build a place like this. See point #1. Alternatively if the people who move there "decide as a society" that it should be different then that's an equivalent argument from your perspective.