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This is great, using actual CDE is abysmal. I didnt get very far installing CDE, but I remember WindowMaker not recognizing full screen YouTube videos, I wouldn

This is great, using actual CDE is abysmal. I didnt get very far installing CDE, but I remember WindowMaker not recognizing full screen YouTube videos, I wouldn’t be he surprised if CDE was the same.

badsectoracula 4y ago
> I remember WindowMaker not recognizing full screen YouTube videos I'm using Window Maker for years now and full screen YouTube videos work perfectly fine. Perhaps you used some very ancient version? The latest from the official site[0] should work (though getting the "next" branch from git might be better if you want all the latest fixes - and bugs :-P - as releases happen infrequently). [0] https://www.windowmaker.org/ https://www.windowmaker.org/
- pipeline_peak 4y ago
  This was probably 2015, so it was likely that.
  - badsectoracula 4y ago
    Most likely yeah. In 2015 i used Window Maker as my main WM and at least Firefox worked fine with fullscreen videos and from a quick look via git blame support for the _NET_WM_STATE_FULLSCREEN state for _NET_WM_STATE was added in 2009. However AFAIK that was in the CRM fork which became the main/official version somewhere in 2013 so it is possible your distro at the time had some version from 2006 (which AFAIK was when the last version from the previous developers was made).
hulitu 4y ago
There is no link between Windowmaker and CDE.
- pipeline_peak 4y ago
  I’m talking about general experience with using old window managers/desktop env Edit: But now that I think of it, I do remember Motif WM having the same issue with fullscreen, so it's likely CDE does as well.
rwmj 4y ago
I never understood why CDE/Motif was chosen over OLVWM/OpenView since the latter was both nicer looking and much easier to use.
- shrubble 4y ago
  Sun was the big gorilla in the marketplace and CDE was based on non-Sun technology. CDE rose out of HP Vue window manager. Motif was considered to be a good choice; some say it is easy to program.
  - ben7799 4y ago
    Motif was pretty horrific to program. It was full of what we would recognize as pointer abuse today. I was always a little upset when Gtk took off in the late 90s, because it had a bunch of similar pointer abuse. It seemed to be heavily influenced by Motif. Qt seemed much better at the time. Java UI (Swing) clearly seemed a big step forward at the time. Tk was pretty nice at the time. A lot of the X stack back then had this kind of stuff. At some point it probably got cleaned up.
  - GekkePrutser 4y ago
    Yeah and Sun was never really seemed fully on board with the whole CDE thing anyway. They dropped it for their horribly slow Java desktop environment as soon as they could. Not sure how IBM fared but I think HP-UX had it for longer until they dropped it in 11i
- technothrasher 4y ago
  Back in the 90's, I felt the exact opposite. Motif was much better looking and easier to use than Open Look. These days they both look pretty dated.
- hulitu 4y ago
  As far as i remember there were 2 organizations which tried to standardize UNIX: X/Open and Open Look. One had IBM, DEC , HP in it the other SUN and AT&T. One choose Motif/CDE, the other OpenLook. In the end the OL people gave up and everibody went CDE under the OpenGroup umbrella.

badsectoracula 4y ago

> I remember WindowMaker not recognizing full screen YouTube videos I'm using Window Maker for years now and full screen YouTube videos work perfectly fine. Perhaps you used some very ancient version? The latest from the official site[0] should work (though getting the "next" branch from git might be better if you want all the latest fixes - and bugs :-P - as releases happen infrequently). [0] https://www.windowmaker.org/ https://www.windowmaker.org/

pipeline_peak 4y ago
This was probably 2015, so it was likely that.
- badsectoracula 4y ago
  Most likely yeah. In 2015 i used Window Maker as my main WM and at least Firefox worked fine with fullscreen videos and from a quick look via git blame support for the _NET_WM_STATE_FULLSCREEN state for _NET_WM_STATE was added in 2009. However AFAIK that was in the CRM fork which became the main/official version somewhere in 2013 so it is possible your distro at the time had some version from 2006 (which AFAIK was when the last version from the previous developers was made).

hulitu 4y ago

There is no link between Windowmaker and CDE.

pipeline_peak 4y ago
I’m talking about general experience with using old window managers/desktop env Edit: But now that I think of it, I do remember Motif WM having the same issue with fullscreen, so it's likely CDE does as well.

rwmj 4y ago

I never understood why CDE/Motif was chosen over OLVWM/OpenView since the latter was both nicer looking and much easier to use.

shrubble 4y ago
Sun was the big gorilla in the marketplace and CDE was based on non-Sun technology. CDE rose out of HP Vue window manager. Motif was considered to be a good choice; some say it is easy to program.
- ben7799 4y ago
  Motif was pretty horrific to program. It was full of what we would recognize as pointer abuse today. I was always a little upset when Gtk took off in the late 90s, because it had a bunch of similar pointer abuse. It seemed to be heavily influenced by Motif. Qt seemed much better at the time. Java UI (Swing) clearly seemed a big step forward at the time. Tk was pretty nice at the time. A lot of the X stack back then had this kind of stuff. At some point it probably got cleaned up.
- GekkePrutser 4y ago
  Yeah and Sun was never really seemed fully on board with the whole CDE thing anyway. They dropped it for their horribly slow Java desktop environment as soon as they could. Not sure how IBM fared but I think HP-UX had it for longer until they dropped it in 11i
technothrasher 4y ago
Back in the 90's, I felt the exact opposite. Motif was much better looking and easier to use than Open Look. These days they both look pretty dated.
hulitu 4y ago
As far as i remember there were 2 organizations which tried to standardize UNIX: X/Open and Open Look. One had IBM, DEC , HP in it the other SUN and AT&T. One choose Motif/CDE, the other OpenLook. In the end the OL people gave up and everibody went CDE under the OpenGroup umbrella.