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A comparably lifted Jeep gets the same mileage as a lifted truck. If they’re paying for it, what concern is it of yours?

by aejnsn 4y ago

JumpCrisscross 4y ago
> what concern is it of yours? The noise OP mentioned is a real problem in some communities.
- aejnsn 4y ago
  That’s a rather poor assumption that every large or lifted vehicle has a modified exhaust system. The article is about inflation and fuel prices, but I assure you nobody is moving from rural to urban and expecting _less_ noise.
  - kylehotchkiss 4y ago
    It's so common where I live now that I didn't even realize people were modifying their exhausts, I thought it was just stock!
oneoff786 4y ago
The main thesis of the article is that they cannot pay for it.
- mikewave 4y ago
  Correct. The availability of cheap credit + higher than normal resale values for vehicles of late has led to a situation where people are overextending themselves and buying vehicles that cost 80% or more of their yearly income in order to "keep up with the Joneses". I know some people in this situation, and their ability to afford $600/mo payments (plus insurance, plus gas, plus maintenance) is leading them to actually do less: fewer outings, fewer trips, less expenditure elsewhere, perhaps no summer camp for the kids, etc. America badly needs a return to the much lighter S-10 and Ranger of the past, with a 4-banger and a small back seat. These behemoths with V8s are not necessary for most people, and neither is the level of temporary luxury they convey. Let's face it: after a couple years your shiny new truck is just as noteworthy as every other truck on the road, which is to say, most people don't care about it / aren't impressed by it anyway.
acdha 4y ago
Bigger vehicles pollute more (engine, brake/tire particulates, and both engine and tire noise), the design and poor handling ensures that crashes are more likely and more lethal when they happen, and the size means that the median driver has issues fitting their vehicle in standard lanes and parking spaces. I live in a city where many ostensibly two-lane streets are now one-lane because oversized vehicles are so common.
- aejnsn 4y ago
  > Bigger vehicles pollute more (engine, brake/tire particulates, and both engine and tire noise) That’s a strange way of saying large vehicles are intended to do more work. I haven’t seen a Toyota Prius yet that can practically trailer a load of crops to market or carry construction equipment. It’s also strange to me someone would mention tire particulate pollution in a grand comparison. The EV poster children wear through tires quicker than their comparable gasoline counterparts—softer tire compounds (road noise reduction) and weight. > more likely and more lethal when they happen Those also pay more for insurance.
  - colpabar 4y ago
    they also drive like fucking assholes, wear down the roads more, and make driving significantly less safe for everyone, especially the pedestrians who are unfortunate enough to be around them. > That’s a strange way of saying large vehicles are intended to do more work. I haven’t seen a Toyota Prius yet that can practically trailer a load of crops to market or carry construction equipment. More work you say? Great! It's odd that all the big lifted trucks I see are never hauling anything. It's almost like most of the people who drive them just like having a big truck and don't have any actual need for it.
    - aejnsn 4y ago
      > wear down the roads more Blame your state DOT. Those trucks pay much more in taxes based upon their gross weight rating when they tow/haul. Costs of doing business. > all the big lifted trucks I see Nobody lifts a truck conspicuously to do more work, this somewhat compromises the suspension’s ability to handle load. A lot more people would know this if they knew anything, other than some anecdotes, about the topic they want to regulate.

A comparably lifted Jeep gets the same mileage as a lifted truck. If they’re paying for it, what concern is it of yours?

by aejnsn 4y ago

A comparably lifted Jeep gets the same mileage as a lifted truck. If they’re paying for it, what concern is it of yours?

JumpCrisscross 4y ago

> what concern is it of yours? The noise OP mentioned is a real problem in some communities.

aejnsn 4y ago
That’s a rather poor assumption that every large or lifted vehicle has a modified exhaust system. The article is about inflation and fuel prices, but I assure you nobody is moving from rural to urban and expecting _less_ noise.
- kylehotchkiss 4y ago
  It's so common where I live now that I didn't even realize people were modifying their exhausts, I thought it was just stock!

oneoff786 4y ago

The main thesis of the article is that they cannot pay for it.

mikewave 4y ago
Correct. The availability of cheap credit + higher than normal resale values for vehicles of late has led to a situation where people are overextending themselves and buying vehicles that cost 80% or more of their yearly income in order to "keep up with the Joneses". I know some people in this situation, and their ability to afford $600/mo payments (plus insurance, plus gas, plus maintenance) is leading them to actually do less: fewer outings, fewer trips, less expenditure elsewhere, perhaps no summer camp for the kids, etc. America badly needs a return to the much lighter S-10 and Ranger of the past, with a 4-banger and a small back seat. These behemoths with V8s are not necessary for most people, and neither is the level of temporary luxury they convey. Let's face it: after a couple years your shiny new truck is just as noteworthy as every other truck on the road, which is to say, most people don't care about it / aren't impressed by it anyway.

acdha 4y ago

Bigger vehicles pollute more (engine, brake/tire particulates, and both engine and tire noise), the design and poor handling ensures that crashes are more likely and more lethal when they happen, and the size means that the median driver has issues fitting their vehicle in standard lanes and parking spaces. I live in a city where many ostensibly two-lane streets are now one-lane because oversized vehicles are so common.

aejnsn 4y ago
> Bigger vehicles pollute more (engine, brake/tire particulates, and both engine and tire noise) That’s a strange way of saying large vehicles are intended to do more work. I haven’t seen a Toyota Prius yet that can practically trailer a load of crops to market or carry construction equipment. It’s also strange to me someone would mention tire particulate pollution in a grand comparison. The EV poster children wear through tires quicker than their comparable gasoline counterparts—softer tire compounds (road noise reduction) and weight. > more likely and more lethal when they happen Those also pay more for insurance.
- colpabar 4y ago
  they also drive like fucking assholes, wear down the roads more, and make driving significantly less safe for everyone, especially the pedestrians who are unfortunate enough to be around them. > That’s a strange way of saying large vehicles are intended to do more work. I haven’t seen a Toyota Prius yet that can practically trailer a load of crops to market or carry construction equipment. More work you say? Great! It's odd that all the big lifted trucks I see are never hauling anything. It's almost like most of the people who drive them just like having a big truck and don't have any actual need for it.
  - aejnsn 4y ago
    > wear down the roads more Blame your state DOT. Those trucks pay much more in taxes based upon their gross weight rating when they tow/haul. Costs of doing business. > all the big lifted trucks I see Nobody lifts a truck conspicuously to do more work, this somewhat compromises the suspension’s ability to handle load. A lot more people would know this if they knew anything, other than some anecdotes, about the topic they want to regulate.