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To elaborate the risk vs benefits[2], circumcision can reduce the risk of UTI in males by 10x. Not 10%, but 10x[1]. It also significantly reduces the risk of ST

To elaborate the risk vs benefits[2], circumcision can reduce the risk of UTI in males by 10x. Not 10%, but 10x[1]. It also significantly reduces the risk of STI's particularly HIV. And as you said, there are no lasting negative side-effects (though a very small risk of complications). [1]https://health.choc.org/circumcision-and-urinary-tract-infections/ https://health.choc.org/circumcision-and-urinary-tract-infec... [2]https://www.center4research.org/circumcision-health-benefits-risks/ https://www.center4research.org/circumcision-health-benefits...

theqabalist 4y ago
The majority of the world is not circumcised. The majority of the world is not dealing with an STI epidemic; some areas are, and only with some STIs. The US has a very high circumcision rate and a very high STI rate for what the proponents of circumcision would like you to believe. The two are only correlated due to a third variable. Circumcision simply isn't a good replacement in any circumstance for sexual hygiene. Don't mutilate children to control for the root variable. Males are born with foreskin for a reason. Much like one is not born prozac-deficient, the majority of males are not born with some evolutionary "excess".
causi 4y ago
Those are good reasons for you to get circumcised. They are not good reasons to do it to someone who cannot consent. You should also consider that statistics regarding complications only count complications that required medical intervention. Nobody goes around asking men "does anything bother you about your penis?" and noting down what annoyances could've been caused by circumcision. There are a lot of men who don't know that not everyone is bothered by loose underwear rubbing on them or that getting your frenulum licked is supposed to feel really nice.
- celeritascelery 4y ago
  I am sympathetic to the consent argument (I don't know that I would have my boys circumcised). However risk significantly increases with age, so that is something to consider.
- josephcsible 4y ago
  > They are not good reasons to do it to someone who cannot consent. Should we stop giving kids the polio and MMR vaccines until they can consent?
  - xboxnolifes 4y ago
    This really shouldn't be downvoted. If one is going to pull the "children cannot consent" card, one should be consistent. If it's not actually about consent and actually about something else, let's not pretend it's about consent. Obviously the implication is that it's "obvious" that the benefits of vaccines outweigh the cons of ignoring consent, but that just prompts the questions: Is this true, and what amount of benefit is necessary to avoid consent in children? Explicit reasoning should laid out.
    - Fire-Dragon-DoL 4y ago
      The vaccine is not taking away part of the pleasures of the child once they become adult, so the choice is between "bad" (vaccine pain) or "more bad" (sick). The circumcision is between "fine and pleasure with some risks" and "very painful, loss of pleasure in some areas, annoying underwear rubbing, body mutilation, some reduced risks". Finally, the reason why the vaccine is done without consent is because you can get killed (or kill accidentally due to lack of herd immunity) if you don't do it. No one is affected by someone going through circumcision or not.

theqabalist 4y ago

The majority of the world is not circumcised. The majority of the world is not dealing with an STI epidemic; some areas are, and only with some STIs. The US has a very high circumcision rate and a very high STI rate for what the proponents of circumcision would like you to believe. The two are only correlated due to a third variable. Circumcision simply isn't a good replacement in any circumstance for sexual hygiene. Don't mutilate children to control for the root variable. Males are born with foreskin for a reason. Much like one is not born prozac-deficient, the majority of males are not born with some evolutionary "excess".

causi 4y ago

Those are good reasons for you to get circumcised. They are not good reasons to do it to someone who cannot consent. You should also consider that statistics regarding complications only count complications that required medical intervention. Nobody goes around asking men "does anything bother you about your penis?" and noting down what annoyances could've been caused by circumcision. There are a lot of men who don't know that not everyone is bothered by loose underwear rubbing on them or that getting your frenulum licked is supposed to feel really nice.

celeritascelery 4y ago
I am sympathetic to the consent argument (I don't know that I would have my boys circumcised). However risk significantly increases with age, so that is something to consider.
josephcsible 4y ago
> They are not good reasons to do it to someone who cannot consent. Should we stop giving kids the polio and MMR vaccines until they can consent?
- xboxnolifes 4y ago
  This really shouldn't be downvoted. If one is going to pull the "children cannot consent" card, one should be consistent. If it's not actually about consent and actually about something else, let's not pretend it's about consent. Obviously the implication is that it's "obvious" that the benefits of vaccines outweigh the cons of ignoring consent, but that just prompts the questions: Is this true, and what amount of benefit is necessary to avoid consent in children? Explicit reasoning should laid out.
  - Fire-Dragon-DoL 4y ago
    The vaccine is not taking away part of the pleasures of the child once they become adult, so the choice is between "bad" (vaccine pain) or "more bad" (sick). The circumcision is between "fine and pleasure with some risks" and "very painful, loss of pleasure in some areas, annoying underwear rubbing, body mutilation, some reduced risks". Finally, the reason why the vaccine is done without consent is because you can get killed (or kill accidentally due to lack of herd immunity) if you don't do it. No one is affected by someone going through circumcision or not.