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Socialism doesn't work because the CIA loves to stick their nose into other countries at the behest of capital owners, this has also been publicly known for dec

by feet 4y ago

Socialism doesn't work because the CIA loves to stick their nose into other countries at the behest of capital owners, this has also been publicly known for decades. As I said the problem has been identified long ago, restating the issue doesn't help anything. We need a solution. How do you even define consciousness of society?what does that even mean? How do you know it even changed?

catchnear4321 4y ago
It also doesn’t work because of the attitudes of those professing it’s values when it comes to the non-believers. As I said I disagree with the dogma. The problem is not identified. That’s my disagreement. Just a symptom. And treatment of symptoms can be as problematic as the symptoms. Until the cause is addressed it isn’t going away. It also horrifies me that you suggest we move on from discussion because dead men have already discussed. That sounds awful conservative, tbph. Perhaps I should reread some things. “How do you even define consciousness of society?” Excellent question! But why do you phrase it in such a way as to suggest looking into the unknown and asking questions is a waste of time? Again, that sounds oddly the opposite of… progress.
- feet 4y ago
  The "nonbelievers" tend to be either the greedy ones themselves or people who have been tricked by the greedy ones, you can see the effect of the propaganda spread by corporate news such as CNN, MSNBC, and Fox. So you claimed that innate desire for power is the root of the problem, I agreed and clarified, and now you're saying it isn't identified? I can't tell if you're serious or disingenuous. Your statements seem completely disingenuous. I suggest we move on because we finished with the identification, why would we linger on that after its finished. That's a bullshit move to muddy the waters and prevent progress. That is what reactionary conservatives do I phrased it in that way because I suspected you had no idea what that actually meant and are just stringing words together for dramatic effect. To have a discussion on a topic we need to have agreed upon definitions, but with the way you waffle back and forth in ambiguity I find it hard to believe you actually want to try.
  - catchnear4321 4y ago
    I’m glad you’re being honest now at least. You’re not very good at hiding disdain. Not the first socialist with that trait. (Far from unique to socialism. It’s pretty common in humans.) No, the issue isn’t as simple as lust for power. You finished the identification and the solution selection. And now we are to move on. At least to the solution. I’m sure we can breeze by that too, if only you can get this simpleton blow-hard to think, right? It isn’t simple lust. But again you don’t really want to go down this road, as you keep accusing me of. The world is cleaner when power is bad and people can’t handle it themselves. (Let’s solve that. With… very careful objective power. Yes yes.) So I’ll make this as clear as I can. If you think identification is complete, I disagree. The comment I linked made that pretty clear, or so I thought. Your very strong desire to move on has now been stated. As has mine to not simply assume that the elders have solved the problem. Now what? Feel free to keep tossing bait though. You came just shy of admitting it. So I’ll take it the rest of the way for you. It really impresses upon me why socialism is the best choice for a harmonious future. Thanks for that.
    - feet 4y ago
      I'm impressed, all these comments yet so little substance. It must take quite a lot of skill to use so many words while saying nothing at all
      - catchnear4321 4y ago
        It’s ok, I’m not expecting an ism zealot to want to seek understanding. That’s a huge part of the larger issue. But you did manage to provide a fantastic example for me. I appreciate that. From your entering the scene like a MLM stereotype, all the way to that last response. Fantastic, really. More than I hoped for. That being said, you aren’t legitimately interested in discussion, at least outside of your area of interest, to put it gently, and I really don’t want to upset you any more than I already have. That last comment looked like a struggle for you. Don’t feel like you have to respond.
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by feet 4y ago

catchnear4321 4y ago

It also doesn’t work because of the attitudes of those professing it’s values when it comes to the non-believers. As I said I disagree with the dogma. The problem is not identified. That’s my disagreement. Just a symptom. And treatment of symptoms can be as problematic as the symptoms. Until the cause is addressed it isn’t going away. It also horrifies me that you suggest we move on from discussion because dead men have already discussed. That sounds awful conservative, tbph. Perhaps I should reread some things. “How do you even define consciousness of society?” Excellent question! But why do you phrase it in such a way as to suggest looking into the unknown and asking questions is a waste of time? Again, that sounds oddly the opposite of… progress.

feet 4y ago
The "nonbelievers" tend to be either the greedy ones themselves or people who have been tricked by the greedy ones, you can see the effect of the propaganda spread by corporate news such as CNN, MSNBC, and Fox. So you claimed that innate desire for power is the root of the problem, I agreed and clarified, and now you're saying it isn't identified? I can't tell if you're serious or disingenuous. Your statements seem completely disingenuous. I suggest we move on because we finished with the identification, why would we linger on that after its finished. That's a bullshit move to muddy the waters and prevent progress. That is what reactionary conservatives do I phrased it in that way because I suspected you had no idea what that actually meant and are just stringing words together for dramatic effect. To have a discussion on a topic we need to have agreed upon definitions, but with the way you waffle back and forth in ambiguity I find it hard to believe you actually want to try.
- catchnear4321 4y ago
  I’m glad you’re being honest now at least. You’re not very good at hiding disdain. Not the first socialist with that trait. (Far from unique to socialism. It’s pretty common in humans.) No, the issue isn’t as simple as lust for power. You finished the identification and the solution selection. And now we are to move on. At least to the solution. I’m sure we can breeze by that too, if only you can get this simpleton blow-hard to think, right? It isn’t simple lust. But again you don’t really want to go down this road, as you keep accusing me of. The world is cleaner when power is bad and people can’t handle it themselves. (Let’s solve that. With… very careful objective power. Yes yes.) So I’ll make this as clear as I can. If you think identification is complete, I disagree. The comment I linked made that pretty clear, or so I thought. Your very strong desire to move on has now been stated. As has mine to not simply assume that the elders have solved the problem. Now what? Feel free to keep tossing bait though. You came just shy of admitting it. So I’ll take it the rest of the way for you. It really impresses upon me why socialism is the best choice for a harmonious future. Thanks for that.
  - feet 4y ago
    I'm impressed, all these comments yet so little substance. It must take quite a lot of skill to use so many words while saying nothing at all
    - catchnear4321 4y ago
      It’s ok, I’m not expecting an ism zealot to want to seek understanding. That’s a huge part of the larger issue. But you did manage to provide a fantastic example for me. I appreciate that. From your entering the scene like a MLM stereotype, all the way to that last response. Fantastic, really. More than I hoped for. That being said, you aren’t legitimately interested in discussion, at least outside of your area of interest, to put it gently, and I really don’t want to upset you any more than I already have. That last comment looked like a struggle for you. Don’t feel like you have to respond.
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