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> Likewise, we shouldn't shame people for engaging in sex, but instead encourage them to get vaccinated. If we had enough vaccines, they alone would be a great

> Likewise, we shouldn't shame people for engaging in sex, but instead encourage them to get vaccinated. If we had enough vaccines, they alone would be a great solution. But we don't, so we need to consider other ways to slow/stop the spread. > it won't be stopped by telling gay people to stop having sex or shaming them for it. For a lot of people, sexual orientation has nothing to do with how they view this. Their view would be the same if monkeypox were spreading among all young adults. Projecting anti-gay sentiment onto these people is not productive. It is also not accurate. They simply believe that it's not too much to give up promiscuous sexual behavior for 8 weeks or so. They would ask the same of straight people if it were spreading in that community.

vineyardmike 4y ago
It is a gay issue and their is an anti-gay sentiment. There has always been an extremely judgement and opinionated view of gay men and their sexual behavior in society. You can’t separate that for certain issues. The rhetoric is “why can’t those horn dogs stop fucking [for a while]” (quote from a HN comment) NOT “why are 1M doses of the vaccine the US developed in 2001 sitting in crates in Europe and why have only 36K of them brought to the US”. SF alone has been begging the feds for 35K doses. Gay men are taking time out of their life and jobs and whatever to go stand outside hospitals hoping to get one of the few vaccine doses. People are ready and willing and a government that says “it’s just sex they can wait” is not a government that thinks “if we move fast we can stop the spread”. Broadly, telling people abstinence as a solution is always wrong. It’s a bad policy in the face of birth control, it’s a bad policy in the face of STIs and it’s a bad policy for monkey pox. yes abstinence will prevent pregnancies but it’s not a successful way to approach solutions because it has never worked. Hell, with covid telling people to just stay home didn’t work. People protested not being able to get haircuts.
- crackercrews 4y ago
  > The rhetoric is “why can’t those horn dogs stop fucking [for a while]” (quote from a HN comment) Where is this comment? I searched the thread and the rest of HN and didn't find it. > It is a gay issue and their is an anti-gay sentiment. You seem to think that you get to decide what motivates other people to think things. I would think that doing so would lead to misunderstandings and conflict. For example, people who would support temporary abstinence policies regardless of the affected groups would bristle at being told their beliefs are anti-gay (unless they are, I supposed). They might tend be your ally on many other policies and causes, but feel alienated by your accusations. This is one reason why ascribing sentiment to other people's statements might not be a great idea.

vineyardmike 4y ago

It is a gay issue and their is an anti-gay sentiment. There has always been an extremely judgement and opinionated view of gay men and their sexual behavior in society. You can’t separate that for certain issues. The rhetoric is “why can’t those horn dogs stop fucking [for a while]” (quote from a HN comment) NOT “why are 1M doses of the vaccine the US developed in 2001 sitting in crates in Europe and why have only 36K of them brought to the US”. SF alone has been begging the feds for 35K doses. Gay men are taking time out of their life and jobs and whatever to go stand outside hospitals hoping to get one of the few vaccine doses. People are ready and willing and a government that says “it’s just sex they can wait” is not a government that thinks “if we move fast we can stop the spread”. Broadly, telling people abstinence as a solution is always wrong. It’s a bad policy in the face of birth control, it’s a bad policy in the face of STIs and it’s a bad policy for monkey pox. yes abstinence will prevent pregnancies but it’s not a successful way to approach solutions because it has never worked. Hell, with covid telling people to just stay home didn’t work. People protested not being able to get haircuts.

crackercrews 4y ago
> The rhetoric is “why can’t those horn dogs stop fucking [for a while]” (quote from a HN comment) Where is this comment? I searched the thread and the rest of HN and didn't find it. > It is a gay issue and their is an anti-gay sentiment. You seem to think that you get to decide what motivates other people to think things. I would think that doing so would lead to misunderstandings and conflict. For example, people who would support temporary abstinence policies regardless of the affected groups would bristle at being told their beliefs are anti-gay (unless they are, I supposed). They might tend be your ally on many other policies and causes, but feel alienated by your accusations. This is one reason why ascribing sentiment to other people's statements might not be a great idea.