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You've completely ignored what I've said and argued a completely different points. > On a laptop from 2008, you won't have USB 3.0, 5ghz wifi, support for 16GB

You've completely ignored what I've said and argued a completely different points. > On a laptop from 2008, you won't have USB 3.0, 5ghz wifi, support for 16GB DIMM's (and maybe not even 8GB). As I said, NUCs include all the stuff you've described. So upgrading the NUC in your laptop absolutely would upgrade USB et al. A NUC is a small form factor motherboard with an Intel CPU integrated. Just like upgrading your motherboard in a PC would upgrade USB et al, upgrading the NUC board would too. So your comment here doesn't apply to the product we're specifically talking about. > But even more to the point, your ten year old NUC is good enough. If you were the sort of person who upgraded, you would have upgraded. I said I use it as a HTPC. A HTPC is, by definition, not as a primary computing device. It's literally just a set top box. If my last laptop was upgradable by swapping the board with a new one (in the same way as the laptop being advertised here is) then I absolutely would have done that instead of buying a new one. I loved that laptop -- still do. But it just aged too far for me to use it as my daily development machine. > While a C64 isn't good enough for most people today, a ten year old laptop is right up until it breaks. I don't even understand your point here. You're comparing apples to oranges and don't even make a point out of it. For what it's worth, I do still have a bunch of 80s (and 70s too) 8-bit micros and still use them regularly. Sometimes for retro gaming, sometimes to teach my kids programming. Sometimes I just power them on for no particular reason aside nostalgia. It's sad how those machines are still working flawlessly yet modern systems 1/10th of the age are routinely breaking. Just goes to show how complex things have gotten and how disposable we consider our hardware these days. Just as your comments on this topic also do.

brudgers 4y ago
Have you bought one of these new devices yet?
- hnlmorg 4y ago
  My existing laptop is only 6 months old, so no. But I would consider this device when I'm looking to purchase a new laptop (and would have considered this device had I known about it 6 months ago).
  - brudgers 4y ago
    So no.
    - hnlmorg 4y ago
      If you've got an insightful point to make then make it. Because your last comment smacks of pointless trolling.
      - brudgers 4y ago
        You haven’t bought one. Hence you are not a customer. Nor part of a logically viable market segment. Even if catering to single purchase buyers made sense. Which it doesn’t for Nuc’s because they are not consumer products. Not sure any of that insight will stick. But always hopeful.
        hnlmorg 4y ago
        > You haven’t bought one. Yet. > Hence you are not a customer. Except I do buy laptops. So I am a potential customer. I also buy NUCs. Which also makes me a potential customer. > Nor part of a logically viable market segment. Incorrect. See answer above. > Even if catering to single purchase buyers made sense. You're now making assumptions about my background. I've made corporate purchasing decisions before and there's every chance I might take up that role again in the near future. There have been a few businesses buy into NUCs on a broader scale and I know for a fact that one of those businesses did so after my recommendation. So Intel have already made a pretty penny from me and I'm sure I'm not an isolated case either. > Which it doesn’t for Nuc’s because they are not consumer products. It's NUC (all case because it is an acronym of "Next Unit of Computing" -- I know it's dumb name but I didn't come up with it) and yes they are consumer products. More so than Raspberry Pis. Just because you weren't aware of it doesn't mean it's not a consumer product. As it happens the NUC I own was bought from a consumer store. > Not sure any of that insight will stick. But always hopeful. There is absolutely no need for you to be rude all the time. Particularly when you're the one pulling strawman / misunderstanding peoples comments (hard to tell if you're intentionally missing the point or just not bothering to read other peoples comments properly). Also given you've not heard of the NUC before now and didn't even know what it was before stubbornly taking your stance, you're not really in a strong position to be lecturing other people about what the NUC is or is not.
saltcured 4y ago
I understand the sentiment. I've felt dismay at seeing many generations of personal and work laptops turn into e-waste. It just isn't practical to keep them operating and relevant. Laptop LCDs used to be more trouble with fluorescent backlights, but since the switch to LED backlights, I've seen laptops (and smartphones) look nearly identical on their last day of service as their first. For me, it is the battery or motherboard+thermal solution which seem consumable and prone to failure. If these were modular and could always be replaced with contemporary upgrades, I could easily see myself using the same screen and chassis for decades. The basic 14 inch ultrabook format is close to its asymptotic ideal, I suspect. This could even justify having a little more invested in the chassis to make it even more robust, such as some more exotic titanium alloy or whatever. But, for me the supported service life would really need to be decades with compatible modular parts. I would not want to be stuck looking at obsolete replacement parts from somebody's dusty warehouse when I have the need or impulse to refresh the machine. I'd want the replacement module to have options with the now current CPUs, GPUs, RAM type, networking, storage, and other IO ports. I would not want to be operating a time capsule of obsolete components.

brudgers 4y ago

Have you bought one of these new devices yet?

hnlmorg 4y ago
My existing laptop is only 6 months old, so no. But I would consider this device when I'm looking to purchase a new laptop (and would have considered this device had I known about it 6 months ago).
- brudgers 4y ago
  So no.
  - hnlmorg 4y ago
    If you've got an insightful point to make then make it. Because your last comment smacks of pointless trolling.
    - brudgers 4y ago
      You haven’t bought one. Hence you are not a customer. Nor part of a logically viable market segment. Even if catering to single purchase buyers made sense. Which it doesn’t for Nuc’s because they are not consumer products. Not sure any of that insight will stick. But always hopeful.
      - hnlmorg 4y ago
        > You haven’t bought one. Yet. > Hence you are not a customer. Except I do buy laptops. So I am a potential customer. I also buy NUCs. Which also makes me a potential customer. > Nor part of a logically viable market segment. Incorrect. See answer above. > Even if catering to single purchase buyers made sense. You're now making assumptions about my background. I've made corporate purchasing decisions before and there's every chance I might take up that role again in the near future. There have been a few businesses buy into NUCs on a broader scale and I know for a fact that one of those businesses did so after my recommendation. So Intel have already made a pretty penny from me and I'm sure I'm not an isolated case either. > Which it doesn’t for Nuc’s because they are not consumer products. It's NUC (all case because it is an acronym of "Next Unit of Computing" -- I know it's dumb name but I didn't come up with it) and yes they are consumer products. More so than Raspberry Pis. Just because you weren't aware of it doesn't mean it's not a consumer product. As it happens the NUC I own was bought from a consumer store. > Not sure any of that insight will stick. But always hopeful. There is absolutely no need for you to be rude all the time. Particularly when you're the one pulling strawman / misunderstanding peoples comments (hard to tell if you're intentionally missing the point or just not bothering to read other peoples comments properly). Also given you've not heard of the NUC before now and didn't even know what it was before stubbornly taking your stance, you're not really in a strong position to be lecturing other people about what the NUC is or is not.

saltcured 4y ago

I understand the sentiment. I've felt dismay at seeing many generations of personal and work laptops turn into e-waste. It just isn't practical to keep them operating and relevant. Laptop LCDs used to be more trouble with fluorescent backlights, but since the switch to LED backlights, I've seen laptops (and smartphones) look nearly identical on their last day of service as their first. For me, it is the battery or motherboard+thermal solution which seem consumable and prone to failure. If these were modular and could always be replaced with contemporary upgrades, I could easily see myself using the same screen and chassis for decades. The basic 14 inch ultrabook format is close to its asymptotic ideal, I suspect. This could even justify having a little more invested in the chassis to make it even more robust, such as some more exotic titanium alloy or whatever. But, for me the supported service life would really need to be decades with compatible modular parts. I would not want to be stuck looking at obsolete replacement parts from somebody's dusty warehouse when I have the need or impulse to refresh the machine. I'd want the replacement module to have options with the now current CPUs, GPUs, RAM type, networking, storage, and other IO ports. I would not want to be operating a time capsule of obsolete components.