4 ms·

This is a hypothesis based on a sample size of 9 and already in the comments people are treating it like gospel while pushing their political agendas. Humanity

This is a hypothesis based on a sample size of 9 and already in the comments people are treating it like gospel while pushing their political agendas. Humanity is really (mostly) unfit to deal with both nuanced information and collective action problems.

Pyramus 4y ago
You make a valid, and ultimately depressing point. I see lots of commentators arguing about 'lockdowns', but very little discussion what actually constitutes 'lockdowns'. Lockdowns in China looked very different to lockdowns in Europa or lockdowns in the US. Lockdowns in 2020, in most countries, were very different to lockdowns in 2022. > Humanity is really (mostly) unfit to deal with both nuanced information and collective action problems. There is a point to be made that the number of collective action problems has increased, relative to one or two generations ago, and will further increase.
- MuchoMaas 4y ago
  > I see lots of commentators arguing about 'lockdowns', but very little discussion what actually constitutes 'lockdowns'. Lockdowns in China looked very different to lockdowns in Europa or lockdowns in the US. Lockdowns in 2020, in most countries, were very different to lockdowns in 2022. I'm not sure why I'm supposed to care about this distinction when they've all proven to be completely ineffective can-kicking at best, enormously costly interventions whose scope was extended well beyond their initial "15 days to slow the spread" mandate for precious little (if any) benefit and an accumulating roster of harms.
  - kcplate 4y ago
    You are supposed to care because effect of policies no longer matters, only the intentions. Pragmatism is apparently a forbidden concept in 2022.
  - trention 4y ago
    >can-kicking at best Covid deaths per 100k population USA 311.7 New Zealand 40.27 Source: https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/data/mortality https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/data/mortality This is what happens when you "can-kick" infections after vaccination (actually, not even after vaccination but after offering vaccines to the population - and a lot of them stupidly refusing them). As I said: >Humanity is really (mostly) unfit to deal with ... nuanced information
upupandup 4y ago
They've already weaponized the term "immunization debt" and are pushing it to attack researchers who are pointing out the exact same thing. Why are there people with hammer and sickle in their handles suddenly claiming expertise and calling researchers nazis ?

Pyramus 4y ago

You make a valid, and ultimately depressing point. I see lots of commentators arguing about 'lockdowns', but very little discussion what actually constitutes 'lockdowns'. Lockdowns in China looked very different to lockdowns in Europa or lockdowns in the US. Lockdowns in 2020, in most countries, were very different to lockdowns in 2022. > Humanity is really (mostly) unfit to deal with both nuanced information and collective action problems. There is a point to be made that the number of collective action problems has increased, relative to one or two generations ago, and will further increase.

MuchoMaas 4y ago
> I see lots of commentators arguing about 'lockdowns', but very little discussion what actually constitutes 'lockdowns'. Lockdowns in China looked very different to lockdowns in Europa or lockdowns in the US. Lockdowns in 2020, in most countries, were very different to lockdowns in 2022. I'm not sure why I'm supposed to care about this distinction when they've all proven to be completely ineffective can-kicking at best, enormously costly interventions whose scope was extended well beyond their initial "15 days to slow the spread" mandate for precious little (if any) benefit and an accumulating roster of harms.
- kcplate 4y ago
  You are supposed to care because effect of policies no longer matters, only the intentions. Pragmatism is apparently a forbidden concept in 2022.
- trention 4y ago
  >can-kicking at best Covid deaths per 100k population USA 311.7 New Zealand 40.27 Source: https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/data/mortality https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/data/mortality This is what happens when you "can-kick" infections after vaccination (actually, not even after vaccination but after offering vaccines to the population - and a lot of them stupidly refusing them). As I said: >Humanity is really (mostly) unfit to deal with ... nuanced information

upupandup 4y ago

They've already weaponized the term "immunization debt" and are pushing it to attack researchers who are pointing out the exact same thing. Why are there people with hammer and sickle in their handles suddenly claiming expertise and calling researchers nazis ?