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I have been arguing that we should be comparing EVs to their highest volume ICE counterparts in their class/tier of vehicle since that is going to be the most c

I have been arguing that we should be comparing EVs to their highest volume ICE counterparts in their class/tier of vehicle since that is going to be the most common upgrade path as EVs get more available and affordable. Additionally, we should look at TCO rather than MSRP for tiers since maintenance costs are so different. If comparing similar size/TCO vehicles with high volume, The lightest Model 3 weighs more than the heaviest Camrys and Accords and the lightest Model Y weighs more than the heaviest CR-Vs and Rav-4s. On top of that, Tesla is way ahead of most EVs on weight with the 3/Y. Similar range vehicles like the polestar 2 or the Ioniq 5 are really heavy by comparison. In the US "capability" (even when we don't actually use it) is such a huge sell for many that I don't think were going to see a cultural shift to buying a smaller class of vehicle as you switch to EV. If anything Americans buy up as the operating costs go down.

dahfizz 4y ago
> In the US "capability" (even when we don't actually use it) is such a huge sell for many that I don't think were going to see a cultural shift to buying a smaller class of vehicle as you switch to EV. EVs mean more power, more AWD, more cargo room than comparable ICE vehicles. More "capability", as you say. At the same time, the reduced range discourages going for a larger, bloated vehicle you don't need. I can definitely imagine a lot of the families that have a crossover / smaller SUV now deciding to go with a sedan like the model 3. It has all the cargo storage they need and has the power / AWD they are used to.
- enragedcacti 4y ago
  > I can definitely imagine a lot of the families that have a crossover / smaller SUV now deciding to go with a sedan like the model 3. It has all the cargo storage they need and has the power / AWD they are used to. I think you are right that some people on the margins may step down instead of staying flat or going up given features like frunk space (although model Y sales are beating 3 sales despite the reduced range and increased price), but AWD models of the 3 still weigh more than many AWD crossovers. Stepping down means a huge hit to total cargo volume and cargo height moving to a passthrough trunk vs a cargo area, and you also lose ground clearance that people think they will need for their yearly camping trip. American car purchases have been trending bigger and bigger and I don't think a frunk and fast 0-60s is enough to buck that trend.

dahfizz 4y ago

> In the US "capability" (even when we don't actually use it) is such a huge sell for many that I don't think were going to see a cultural shift to buying a smaller class of vehicle as you switch to EV. EVs mean more power, more AWD, more cargo room than comparable ICE vehicles. More "capability", as you say. At the same time, the reduced range discourages going for a larger, bloated vehicle you don't need. I can definitely imagine a lot of the families that have a crossover / smaller SUV now deciding to go with a sedan like the model 3. It has all the cargo storage they need and has the power / AWD they are used to.

enragedcacti 4y ago
> I can definitely imagine a lot of the families that have a crossover / smaller SUV now deciding to go with a sedan like the model 3. It has all the cargo storage they need and has the power / AWD they are used to. I think you are right that some people on the margins may step down instead of staying flat or going up given features like frunk space (although model Y sales are beating 3 sales despite the reduced range and increased price), but AWD models of the 3 still weigh more than many AWD crossovers. Stepping down means a huge hit to total cargo volume and cargo height moving to a passthrough trunk vs a cargo area, and you also lose ground clearance that people think they will need for their yearly camping trip. American car purchases have been trending bigger and bigger and I don't think a frunk and fast 0-60s is enough to buck that trend.