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What about Israel? The tech scene is amazing, the weather is great and the taxes are lower than in Germany (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taxation_in_Israel htt

What about Israel? The tech scene is amazing, the weather is great and the taxes are lower than in Germany (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taxation_in_Israel https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taxation_in_Israel). Unless if you don't have Jewish roots, it can be hard to get a VISA. For quality of life, I would like to suggest Italy, but the salary are terrible low and the taxes are high. Moreover, the probable new government, will make immigration way more complex.

Sweetio 4y ago
jaclaz 4y ago
>Moreover, the probable new government, will make immigration way more complex. Immigration from Germany? Both Italy and Germany are countries in the EU, hadn't you noticed.
- lormayna 4y ago
  Fratelli d'Italia (the party that is going to win the election and lead the next government) propose in his program to exit from EU, even if not explictly.
  - jaclaz 4y ago
    Ah, well, then they will propose it covertly? Like - say - let's remain in the EU for the moment, but let's deprive non-italain EU citizens of their fundamental right to establish their residence in Italy (or in any other EU country). https://ec.europa.eu/info/policies/justice-and-fundamental-rights/eu-citizenship/movement-and-residence_en https://ec.europa.eu/info/policies/justice-and-fundamental-r...
    - lormayna 4y ago
      Look here: https://www.fratelli-italia.it/programma.pdf https://www.fratelli-italia.it/programma.pdf at point 2: > Ridiscussione di tutti i trattati UE a partire dal fiscal compact e dall’euro. This seems clear to me, it's just a nice way to say: we would like to exit from UE and Euro.
- grumpitron 4y ago
  I believe you need Italian ancestry to become an Italian citizen. It's a piece of immigration and not the whole pie, but could've been the intention.
  - lormayna 4y ago
    If you are an EU citizen, you can live in Italy without any kind of visa. And also the requirements to get italian citizenship are shorter.
    - jaclaz 4y ago
      As a matter of fact there is no need whatever to get italian (or any other EU country) citizenship, if you are a citizen of any country in the EU you only need to register to the local authority as resident (after 3 months of staying). If you really want the italian citizenship, you can ask for it after 4 years of (registered) residency in Italy.
bartminton 4y ago
We don't have jewish roots. So not only visa would be quite problematic.
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pastacacioepepe 4y ago
> Moreover, the probable new government, will make immigration way more complex. That's not a concern considering OP is European, he can move wherever he wants inside the union. If the right wing wins the elections they will (probably) tighten rules for poverty immigration from outside Europe. > the salary are terrible low and the taxes are high. That's true, but if you can find a well paying remote job and a nice place to live you'll have a good life in Italy. Just don't rely on the state and you'll be fine.
- lormayna 4y ago
  > That's not a concern considering OP is European, he can move wherever he wants inside the union. What's happened if an Italexit will happens?
  - pastacacioepepe 4y ago
    If you know Italian politics, you know it won't happen. None of the future candidates has the standing to pull something like this off, without considering that - outside Europe - Italy has nowhere else to go at the moment. Even the popular sentiment is not there as we're already past our no-EU years and even then it was an empty electoral promise.
    - lormayna 4y ago
      I am italian :) Do you remember the very first phase of yellow-green government? They had choose as economy minister one crazy old man that already had prepared a plan to exit from euro in one weekend. Luckily for us, the president Mattarella stopped it.
      - pastacacioepepe 4y ago
        > They had choose as economy minister one crazy old man that already had prepared a plan to exit from euro in one weekend. Luckily for us, the president Mattarella stopped it. That "crazy old man" (Paolo Savona) is an economist, academic, previously minister for the economy and he is now the CONSOB president, so trust me he is not crazy, he has a better CV than both of us combined, it's just that you disagree and your view of him is overly simplistic. Furthermore I don't see what right the reactionary Mattarella had to veto him, but that's another story. Nevertheless, even with the best intentions no party/government has the right standing and foreign support to leave Europe succesfully, even the yellow-green government didn't have any actual chance. If we try, the best we can hope for is a scenario a la Tsipras' Greece. That's why I don't believe there's any chance that Meloni will attempt something like this, and even if she promises Italexit and a majority of Italians votes her for it, the reactionary Mattarella will stop it. No worries, Italy is a democracy only as long as people vote "correctly", and by correctly I mean in a way that doesn't scare the markets.

Sweetio 4y ago

jaclaz 4y ago

>Moreover, the probable new government, will make immigration way more complex. Immigration from Germany? Both Italy and Germany are countries in the EU, hadn't you noticed.

lormayna 4y ago
Fratelli d'Italia (the party that is going to win the election and lead the next government) propose in his program to exit from EU, even if not explictly.
- jaclaz 4y ago
  Ah, well, then they will propose it covertly? Like - say - let's remain in the EU for the moment, but let's deprive non-italain EU citizens of their fundamental right to establish their residence in Italy (or in any other EU country). https://ec.europa.eu/info/policies/justice-and-fundamental-rights/eu-citizenship/movement-and-residence_en https://ec.europa.eu/info/policies/justice-and-fundamental-r...
  - lormayna 4y ago
    Look here: https://www.fratelli-italia.it/programma.pdf https://www.fratelli-italia.it/programma.pdf at point 2: > Ridiscussione di tutti i trattati UE a partire dal fiscal compact e dall’euro. This seems clear to me, it's just a nice way to say: we would like to exit from UE and Euro.
grumpitron 4y ago
I believe you need Italian ancestry to become an Italian citizen. It's a piece of immigration and not the whole pie, but could've been the intention.
- lormayna 4y ago
  If you are an EU citizen, you can live in Italy without any kind of visa. And also the requirements to get italian citizenship are shorter.
  - jaclaz 4y ago
    As a matter of fact there is no need whatever to get italian (or any other EU country) citizenship, if you are a citizen of any country in the EU you only need to register to the local authority as resident (after 3 months of staying). If you really want the italian citizenship, you can ask for it after 4 years of (registered) residency in Italy.

bartminton 4y ago

We don't have jewish roots. So not only visa would be quite problematic.

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pastacacioepepe 4y ago

> Moreover, the probable new government, will make immigration way more complex. That's not a concern considering OP is European, he can move wherever he wants inside the union. If the right wing wins the elections they will (probably) tighten rules for poverty immigration from outside Europe. > the salary are terrible low and the taxes are high. That's true, but if you can find a well paying remote job and a nice place to live you'll have a good life in Italy. Just don't rely on the state and you'll be fine.

lormayna 4y ago
> That's not a concern considering OP is European, he can move wherever he wants inside the union. What's happened if an Italexit will happens?
- pastacacioepepe 4y ago
  If you know Italian politics, you know it won't happen. None of the future candidates has the standing to pull something like this off, without considering that - outside Europe - Italy has nowhere else to go at the moment. Even the popular sentiment is not there as we're already past our no-EU years and even then it was an empty electoral promise.
  - lormayna 4y ago
    I am italian :) Do you remember the very first phase of yellow-green government? They had choose as economy minister one crazy old man that already had prepared a plan to exit from euro in one weekend. Luckily for us, the president Mattarella stopped it.
    - pastacacioepepe 4y ago
      > They had choose as economy minister one crazy old man that already had prepared a plan to exit from euro in one weekend. Luckily for us, the president Mattarella stopped it. That "crazy old man" (Paolo Savona) is an economist, academic, previously minister for the economy and he is now the CONSOB president, so trust me he is not crazy, he has a better CV than both of us combined, it's just that you disagree and your view of him is overly simplistic. Furthermore I don't see what right the reactionary Mattarella had to veto him, but that's another story. Nevertheless, even with the best intentions no party/government has the right standing and foreign support to leave Europe succesfully, even the yellow-green government didn't have any actual chance. If we try, the best we can hope for is a scenario a la Tsipras' Greece. That's why I don't believe there's any chance that Meloni will attempt something like this, and even if she promises Italexit and a majority of Italians votes her for it, the reactionary Mattarella will stop it. No worries, Italy is a democracy only as long as people vote "correctly", and by correctly I mean in a way that doesn't scare the markets.