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The fact that they didn't shoehorn a token or blockchain into the app's design is amazing and refreshing. Blockchains are a terrible solution for 99.9% of prob

The fact that they didn't shoehorn a token or blockchain into the app's design is amazing and refreshing. Blockchains are a terrible solution for 99.9% of problems. The ONLY reason a vast majority of projects incorporate a token is to enrich the founders. Hats off

skyfaller 4y ago
Unfortunately this isn't quite accurate, cryptocurrency support is baked in: > Payments Built In > As your app grows beyond the hobby phase, Holepunch lets you evolve into a business without compromises. > With Bitcoin Lightning and USDt micropayments built-in, it's easy to implement and use powerful paid features in apps. When asked about this, the founder seems supportive of cryptocurrency: https://twitter.com/ttiurani/status/1551524775402635265 https://twitter.com/ttiurani/status/1551524775402635265 Supporting Bitcoin in any way is a sign that they are incapable of detecting scams that will destroy life on earth, which is a bad sign for them dealing with other scams or ethical dilemmas.
- djschnei 4y ago
  Integration is totally fine, and I think payments are a very valid use-case. But the app doesn't rely on a blockchain or have a token to achieve its core functionality. > Supporting Bitcoin in any way is a sign that they are incapable of detecting scams that will destroy life on earth Well, we couldn't disagree more there. A focus on bitcoin while ignoring other crypto scams shows a great deal of sophistication, understanding of the space, and moral fortitude.
- tossl568 4y ago
  How is an open, permissionless financial network that uses a fraction of a % of the world's energy a scam that will destroy life on Earth? Uninformed, hyperbolic statements about Bitcoin is a sign you're incapable of basic understanding of anything.
  - djschnei 4y ago
    Completely agree. Energy consumption is what enables human flourishing. Quite frankly, "Energy consumption = bad" is pro-human suffering. The lack of nuance in that argument is tiresome.
    - skyfaller 4y ago
      Humans benefit from using energy, but our current energy systems release terrifying amounts of greenhouse gases. Continued global heating will involve mass death, and a great deal of human suffering along the way. Energy use is necessary to support human life, but limiting energy use is vital to avoid climate catastrophe. It's not a fun problem to have, but you can't wish it away by saying "but people need and enjoy energy!" Of course they do, that's why we need to limit energy use, so that they can enjoy energy in the future, rather than suffering the complete collapse of the systems that allow them to enjoy energy.
      - djschnei 4y ago
        You are wrong. You will have incredibly realtime examples of how dangerous this way of thinking is when winter hits Europe this year. Energy is life. It's not a "nice to have" or something people "enjoy".
        skyfaller 4y ago
        What part of "Energy use is necessary to support human life" did you not understand when I said it? Do you understand that heat waves, flooding, forest fires, and other extreme weather events will interfere with the delivery of energy? Do you understand that water shortages will interfere with the delivery of energy (e.g. nuclear power plants need water for cooling)? Do you understand that resource wars will interfere with the delivery of energy? Do you understand that climate change preventing food from growing will interfere with the survival of the people who deliver the energy? Of course energy is vital to human existence, I recommend e.g. Energy and Civilization by Vaclav Smil to anyone who wants to understand this in great detail: https://mitpress.mit.edu/books/energy-and-civilization https://mitpress.mit.edu/books/energy-and-civilization But the climate crisis will interfere with energy production and delivery, just as it interferes with everything else that humans want or need to do. Refusing to reduce energy usage voluntarily will result in involuntary reduction in energy usage as systems fail.

skyfaller 4y ago

Unfortunately this isn't quite accurate, cryptocurrency support is baked in: > Payments Built In > As your app grows beyond the hobby phase, Holepunch lets you evolve into a business without compromises. > With Bitcoin Lightning and USDt micropayments built-in, it's easy to implement and use powerful paid features in apps. When asked about this, the founder seems supportive of cryptocurrency: https://twitter.com/ttiurani/status/1551524775402635265 https://twitter.com/ttiurani/status/1551524775402635265 Supporting Bitcoin in any way is a sign that they are incapable of detecting scams that will destroy life on earth, which is a bad sign for them dealing with other scams or ethical dilemmas.

djschnei 4y ago
Integration is totally fine, and I think payments are a very valid use-case. But the app doesn't rely on a blockchain or have a token to achieve its core functionality. > Supporting Bitcoin in any way is a sign that they are incapable of detecting scams that will destroy life on earth Well, we couldn't disagree more there. A focus on bitcoin while ignoring other crypto scams shows a great deal of sophistication, understanding of the space, and moral fortitude.
tossl568 4y ago
How is an open, permissionless financial network that uses a fraction of a % of the world's energy a scam that will destroy life on Earth? Uninformed, hyperbolic statements about Bitcoin is a sign you're incapable of basic understanding of anything.
- djschnei 4y ago
  Completely agree. Energy consumption is what enables human flourishing. Quite frankly, "Energy consumption = bad" is pro-human suffering. The lack of nuance in that argument is tiresome.
  - skyfaller 4y ago
    Humans benefit from using energy, but our current energy systems release terrifying amounts of greenhouse gases. Continued global heating will involve mass death, and a great deal of human suffering along the way. Energy use is necessary to support human life, but limiting energy use is vital to avoid climate catastrophe. It's not a fun problem to have, but you can't wish it away by saying "but people need and enjoy energy!" Of course they do, that's why we need to limit energy use, so that they can enjoy energy in the future, rather than suffering the complete collapse of the systems that allow them to enjoy energy.
    - djschnei 4y ago
      You are wrong. You will have incredibly realtime examples of how dangerous this way of thinking is when winter hits Europe this year. Energy is life. It's not a "nice to have" or something people "enjoy".
      - skyfaller 4y ago
        What part of "Energy use is necessary to support human life" did you not understand when I said it? Do you understand that heat waves, flooding, forest fires, and other extreme weather events will interfere with the delivery of energy? Do you understand that water shortages will interfere with the delivery of energy (e.g. nuclear power plants need water for cooling)? Do you understand that resource wars will interfere with the delivery of energy? Do you understand that climate change preventing food from growing will interfere with the survival of the people who deliver the energy? Of course energy is vital to human existence, I recommend e.g. Energy and Civilization by Vaclav Smil to anyone who wants to understand this in great detail: https://mitpress.mit.edu/books/energy-and-civilization https://mitpress.mit.edu/books/energy-and-civilization But the climate crisis will interfere with energy production and delivery, just as it interferes with everything else that humans want or need to do. Refusing to reduce energy usage voluntarily will result in involuntary reduction in energy usage as systems fail.