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I need to bookmark your response, it really is the gold standard of “socialism is the answer” responses. “You have no solution so that’s not helpful.” I’m not

I need to bookmark your response, it really is the gold standard of “socialism is the answer” responses. “You have no solution so that’s not helpful.” I’m not offering you a target so I should be quiet. I’m not providing an alternative so the problem needs no more thought. No value from discussion not about socialism. Check. “Duh to anything where I agree with you, you simply misunderstood my words and Lenin’s words, and nothing you said is original.” Not looking for common ground. General negation. Check. “Progress is incremental,” and “we need solutions.” Rolls with shutting down discussion, socialism is the only viable and we have no time to look for alternatives, let’s just do. Check. “I suggest you read my book. You don’t understand it.” Check and check. From the above, I have to assume you are only interested in socialism, not the broader problems with the formation and decay of conscious society at a global scale. Let me know if that changes. Do you really not understand why socialism isn’t working? Why people might fear it could just as easily be corrupted as anything else? Your reply is practically performance art on the subject.

feet 4y ago
Socialism doesn't work because the CIA loves to stick their nose into other countries at the behest of capital owners, this has also been publicly known for decades. As I said the problem has been identified long ago, restating the issue doesn't help anything. We need a solution. How do you even define consciousness of society?what does that even mean? How do you know it even changed?
- catchnear4321 4y ago
  It also doesn’t work because of the attitudes of those professing it’s values when it comes to the non-believers. As I said I disagree with the dogma. The problem is not identified. That’s my disagreement. Just a symptom. And treatment of symptoms can be as problematic as the symptoms. Until the cause is addressed it isn’t going away. It also horrifies me that you suggest we move on from discussion because dead men have already discussed. That sounds awful conservative, tbph. Perhaps I should reread some things. “How do you even define consciousness of society?” Excellent question! But why do you phrase it in such a way as to suggest looking into the unknown and asking questions is a waste of time? Again, that sounds oddly the opposite of… progress.
  - feet 4y ago
    The "nonbelievers" tend to be either the greedy ones themselves or people who have been tricked by the greedy ones, you can see the effect of the propaganda spread by corporate news such as CNN, MSNBC, and Fox. So you claimed that innate desire for power is the root of the problem, I agreed and clarified, and now you're saying it isn't identified? I can't tell if you're serious or disingenuous. Your statements seem completely disingenuous. I suggest we move on because we finished with the identification, why would we linger on that after its finished. That's a bullshit move to muddy the waters and prevent progress. That is what reactionary conservatives do I phrased it in that way because I suspected you had no idea what that actually meant and are just stringing words together for dramatic effect. To have a discussion on a topic we need to have agreed upon definitions, but with the way you waffle back and forth in ambiguity I find it hard to believe you actually want to try.
    - catchnear4321 4y ago
      I’m glad you’re being honest now at least. You’re not very good at hiding disdain. Not the first socialist with that trait. (Far from unique to socialism. It’s pretty common in humans.) No, the issue isn’t as simple as lust for power. You finished the identification and the solution selection. And now we are to move on. At least to the solution. I’m sure we can breeze by that too, if only you can get this simpleton blow-hard to think, right? It isn’t simple lust. But again you don’t really want to go down this road, as you keep accusing me of. The world is cleaner when power is bad and people can’t handle it themselves. (Let’s solve that. With… very careful objective power. Yes yes.) So I’ll make this as clear as I can. If you think identification is complete, I disagree. The comment I linked made that pretty clear, or so I thought. Your very strong desire to move on has now been stated. As has mine to not simply assume that the elders have solved the problem. Now what? Feel free to keep tossing bait though. You came just shy of admitting it. So I’ll take it the rest of the way for you. It really impresses upon me why socialism is the best choice for a harmonious future. Thanks for that.
      - feet 4y ago
        I'm impressed, all these comments yet so little substance. It must take quite a lot of skill to use so many words while saying nothing at all

feet 4y ago

Socialism doesn't work because the CIA loves to stick their nose into other countries at the behest of capital owners, this has also been publicly known for decades. As I said the problem has been identified long ago, restating the issue doesn't help anything. We need a solution. How do you even define consciousness of society?what does that even mean? How do you know it even changed?

catchnear4321 4y ago
It also doesn’t work because of the attitudes of those professing it’s values when it comes to the non-believers. As I said I disagree with the dogma. The problem is not identified. That’s my disagreement. Just a symptom. And treatment of symptoms can be as problematic as the symptoms. Until the cause is addressed it isn’t going away. It also horrifies me that you suggest we move on from discussion because dead men have already discussed. That sounds awful conservative, tbph. Perhaps I should reread some things. “How do you even define consciousness of society?” Excellent question! But why do you phrase it in such a way as to suggest looking into the unknown and asking questions is a waste of time? Again, that sounds oddly the opposite of… progress.
- feet 4y ago
  The "nonbelievers" tend to be either the greedy ones themselves or people who have been tricked by the greedy ones, you can see the effect of the propaganda spread by corporate news such as CNN, MSNBC, and Fox. So you claimed that innate desire for power is the root of the problem, I agreed and clarified, and now you're saying it isn't identified? I can't tell if you're serious or disingenuous. Your statements seem completely disingenuous. I suggest we move on because we finished with the identification, why would we linger on that after its finished. That's a bullshit move to muddy the waters and prevent progress. That is what reactionary conservatives do I phrased it in that way because I suspected you had no idea what that actually meant and are just stringing words together for dramatic effect. To have a discussion on a topic we need to have agreed upon definitions, but with the way you waffle back and forth in ambiguity I find it hard to believe you actually want to try.
  - catchnear4321 4y ago
    I’m glad you’re being honest now at least. You’re not very good at hiding disdain. Not the first socialist with that trait. (Far from unique to socialism. It’s pretty common in humans.) No, the issue isn’t as simple as lust for power. You finished the identification and the solution selection. And now we are to move on. At least to the solution. I’m sure we can breeze by that too, if only you can get this simpleton blow-hard to think, right? It isn’t simple lust. But again you don’t really want to go down this road, as you keep accusing me of. The world is cleaner when power is bad and people can’t handle it themselves. (Let’s solve that. With… very careful objective power. Yes yes.) So I’ll make this as clear as I can. If you think identification is complete, I disagree. The comment I linked made that pretty clear, or so I thought. Your very strong desire to move on has now been stated. As has mine to not simply assume that the elders have solved the problem. Now what? Feel free to keep tossing bait though. You came just shy of admitting it. So I’ll take it the rest of the way for you. It really impresses upon me why socialism is the best choice for a harmonious future. Thanks for that.
    - feet 4y ago
      I'm impressed, all these comments yet so little substance. It must take quite a lot of skill to use so many words while saying nothing at all