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Since the pandemic I have claimed that a lot of Americans will discover the power of the dollar soon, when they realize that a better QoL is just a passport and

Since the pandemic I have claimed that a lot of Americans will discover the power of the dollar soon, when they realize that a better QoL is just a passport and a flight away. The current inflation, rate hikes and the tug of war between buyers and sellers will only expedite this knowledge. The common person in America just cannot win in this casino.

kmeisthax 4y ago
Unfortunately American passports are not guaranteed immigration vehicles. Even countries with very close economic ties[0] and no language barrier are still a challenge to get labor market access into; and I can totally see that blossoming into full-on NIMBYism-but-for-people if this were to become mainstream. [0] EU excluded, mostly because the EU was very adamant on tying trade liberalization to immigration liberalization.
- AinderS 4y ago
  > the EU was very adamant on tying trade liberalization to immigration liberalization. Why was this the case? Do you have more background information on it? I've heard little about this, except the end result of free movement within the EU.
GoToThePubMate 4y ago
> A better QoL is just a passport and a flight away. Ummmmmm And an immigration visa.
- harambae 4y ago
  Not that I endorse spreading America's housing problems to the world, but many countries in southeast asia and africa will effectively allow you to get away with renewing your visa every 6 months in perpetuity. I knew one guy whose only legal requirement was to leave the country twice a year, for a day, in order to come back for another 6 months. But he didn't even do this - he went one step lazier and hired someone else to run his papers to the border and back every 6 months. It's a country-by-country thing, and maybe they've closed some loopholes, but I'd be shocked if a wealthy American can't still get away with this in dozens of poorer nations.
  - user-one1 4y ago
    You can get a residence permit in Uruguay just with your birth certificate and your passport. Then you need to prove that you have the means to sustain yourself and that's it, no more requirements for moving here. Also, no taxes on software exports ;)
    - a2tech 4y ago
      Whats the land buying situation like and pricing? A lot of countries have weird rules around foreigners buying property.
      - user-one1 4y ago
        As far as I know, anyone can buy land/properties here. I think the only restriction is that foreigners are not allowed to buy land up to 30km from the border or something like that. Prices are way cheaper than in the US but probably more expensive than other south american countries.
        notch656a 4y ago
        Uruguay always interest me but I heard it is basically impossible to naturalize as the judge holds evidence of ties to Uruguay to an impossibly high standard. I guess that makes sense since Uruguay is a very open nation with easy permanent residence, closely guarding citizenship allows you to hold priveleges of your citizens dear while grasping the benefits of open borders to goods and labor.
  - notdang 4y ago
    You can never live a full life like this. Without a residency permit you won't open a bank account, won't buy any property, won't by a car for example, renting outside Airbnb is difficult, won't be using any governmental services.
- nine_zeros 4y ago
  The trick is to go into a country, stay there for the max allowed duration. Then you fly back to US or visit another country for a month and go back to your base country. You can do this with Visa-on-arrival at most countries with a US passport.
  - notch656a 4y ago
    Yeah that and there's tons of countries where it's easy to get a long-term visa or immigration status that doesn't allow you to work. I can also name plenty of countries where as long as you don't work (and even possibly if you do) your chances of getting deported as an illegal immigrant are about zero unless you've done something to really piss off the community. One of the more amusing is Argentina -- you can literally show up on day one, file a case for citizenship, and your court docket serves as 'citizenship' for prevention of deportation. In the USA, if you don't seek employment and stay out of the 100 mile 'constitution-free' zone and live in a state that doesn't link the criminal justice system to immigration (I think California is an example) I think the chance of getting caught as an illegal immigrant are about zero unless you catch a felony or something.
some_random 4y ago
It's famously easy to uproot one's entire life and permanently move to another country.
- toomuchtodo 4y ago
  It’s not for everyone, but it works for many. I am astounded by how many folks I run into in the states planning to move to Portugal, Spain, Mexico, etc. Definitely more than pre pandemic.
- drchopchop 4y ago
  Extremely easy. You just have to navigate a maze of foreign visa requirements, have a large amount of money, no need to work, learn a foreign language, get your partner/dependents to agree, and be separated from all your existing friends/family. Why don't more people do it?
  - toomuchtodo 4y ago
    You are somewhat overblowing the situation. Mexican financial solvency requirements are fairly low to get temporary or permanent residency. I applied for and received permanent residency for our entire family with 12 months of statements of a reasonably sized 401k. Portugal’s D7 visa requires $9k/year in passive income for a single person, $18k for a family of four (these numbers are likely lower now with the EUR approaching parity with the USD). These are not crazy numbers to accomplish. They’ll also accept a remote job if your company attests that they supports you doing so. I learned this from casual reading of Facebook groups and a gaggle of Reddit subreddits, confirming ground truth with immigration attorneys. It is not one click, for sure, but these hurdles are nothing tremendous to overcome for a functioning adult. It is a reasonable path for people who have been priced out of a good life in the US by way of its economic and policy configuration. If the situation isn’t going to improve, you shop for a better jurisdiction to exist in.
    - paulryanrogers 4y ago
      > I applied for and received permanent residency for our entire family with 12 months of statements of a reasonably sized 401k. How common is it for folks to have almost half a million in the bank?!

kmeisthax 4y ago

Unfortunately American passports are not guaranteed immigration vehicles. Even countries with very close economic ties[0] and no language barrier are still a challenge to get labor market access into; and I can totally see that blossoming into full-on NIMBYism-but-for-people if this were to become mainstream. [0] EU excluded, mostly because the EU was very adamant on tying trade liberalization to immigration liberalization.

AinderS 4y ago
> the EU was very adamant on tying trade liberalization to immigration liberalization. Why was this the case? Do you have more background information on it? I've heard little about this, except the end result of free movement within the EU.

GoToThePubMate 4y ago

> A better QoL is just a passport and a flight away. Ummmmmm And an immigration visa.

harambae 4y ago
Not that I endorse spreading America's housing problems to the world, but many countries in southeast asia and africa will effectively allow you to get away with renewing your visa every 6 months in perpetuity. I knew one guy whose only legal requirement was to leave the country twice a year, for a day, in order to come back for another 6 months. But he didn't even do this - he went one step lazier and hired someone else to run his papers to the border and back every 6 months. It's a country-by-country thing, and maybe they've closed some loopholes, but I'd be shocked if a wealthy American can't still get away with this in dozens of poorer nations.
- user-one1 4y ago
  You can get a residence permit in Uruguay just with your birth certificate and your passport. Then you need to prove that you have the means to sustain yourself and that's it, no more requirements for moving here. Also, no taxes on software exports ;)
  - a2tech 4y ago
    Whats the land buying situation like and pricing? A lot of countries have weird rules around foreigners buying property.
    - user-one1 4y ago
      As far as I know, anyone can buy land/properties here. I think the only restriction is that foreigners are not allowed to buy land up to 30km from the border or something like that. Prices are way cheaper than in the US but probably more expensive than other south american countries.
      - notch656a 4y ago
        Uruguay always interest me but I heard it is basically impossible to naturalize as the judge holds evidence of ties to Uruguay to an impossibly high standard. I guess that makes sense since Uruguay is a very open nation with easy permanent residence, closely guarding citizenship allows you to hold priveleges of your citizens dear while grasping the benefits of open borders to goods and labor.
- notdang 4y ago
  You can never live a full life like this. Without a residency permit you won't open a bank account, won't buy any property, won't by a car for example, renting outside Airbnb is difficult, won't be using any governmental services.
nine_zeros 4y ago
The trick is to go into a country, stay there for the max allowed duration. Then you fly back to US or visit another country for a month and go back to your base country. You can do this with Visa-on-arrival at most countries with a US passport.
- notch656a 4y ago
  Yeah that and there's tons of countries where it's easy to get a long-term visa or immigration status that doesn't allow you to work. I can also name plenty of countries where as long as you don't work (and even possibly if you do) your chances of getting deported as an illegal immigrant are about zero unless you've done something to really piss off the community. One of the more amusing is Argentina -- you can literally show up on day one, file a case for citizenship, and your court docket serves as 'citizenship' for prevention of deportation. In the USA, if you don't seek employment and stay out of the 100 mile 'constitution-free' zone and live in a state that doesn't link the criminal justice system to immigration (I think California is an example) I think the chance of getting caught as an illegal immigrant are about zero unless you catch a felony or something.

some_random 4y ago

It's famously easy to uproot one's entire life and permanently move to another country.

toomuchtodo 4y ago
It’s not for everyone, but it works for many. I am astounded by how many folks I run into in the states planning to move to Portugal, Spain, Mexico, etc. Definitely more than pre pandemic.
drchopchop 4y ago
Extremely easy. You just have to navigate a maze of foreign visa requirements, have a large amount of money, no need to work, learn a foreign language, get your partner/dependents to agree, and be separated from all your existing friends/family. Why don't more people do it?
- toomuchtodo 4y ago
  You are somewhat overblowing the situation. Mexican financial solvency requirements are fairly low to get temporary or permanent residency. I applied for and received permanent residency for our entire family with 12 months of statements of a reasonably sized 401k. Portugal’s D7 visa requires $9k/year in passive income for a single person, $18k for a family of four (these numbers are likely lower now with the EUR approaching parity with the USD). These are not crazy numbers to accomplish. They’ll also accept a remote job if your company attests that they supports you doing so. I learned this from casual reading of Facebook groups and a gaggle of Reddit subreddits, confirming ground truth with immigration attorneys. It is not one click, for sure, but these hurdles are nothing tremendous to overcome for a functioning adult. It is a reasonable path for people who have been priced out of a good life in the US by way of its economic and policy configuration. If the situation isn’t going to improve, you shop for a better jurisdiction to exist in.
  - paulryanrogers 4y ago
    > I applied for and received permanent residency for our entire family with 12 months of statements of a reasonably sized 401k. How common is it for folks to have almost half a million in the bank?!