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At face value, it sounds doubtful. The kid in the article is 3 now, so we can assume he was 1 when the pandemic started. In former communist countries in Easte

by sofixa 4y ago

At face value, it sounds doubtful. The kid in the article is 3 now, so we can assume he was 1 when the pandemic started. In former communist countries in Eastern Europe, maternity leave up to 3 years is not uncommon now, and was much less uncommon before the fall of the respective regime. Of course kids would be taken out and play with others at playgrounds even if there's no kindergarten and the mother takes care of the kid for 3 years, so it's not total isolation. But the pandemic hasn't resulted in total isolation either, there were schools/kindergartens that opened at least for some periods of time, playgrounds too (past the initial lockdowns which were pretty much full panic mode). Those kids didn't spend 2 years locked at home. So what's the difference? The masks? Did kids under 3 even wear masks?

pjc50 4y ago
Some of the kids would have been totally isolated, especially if they or a parent are otherwise classed as "clinically vulnerable". Or just very determined not to risk COVID.
junofan 4y ago
Sounds like the difference may be circulating adenovirus and AAV-2.
INTPenis 4y ago
- drcongo 4y ago
  Parent had quite clearly read the article, but I suspect you hadn't read all of their post before replying with whatever this is.
h2odragon 4y ago
I have doubts, too. There's lots of rural kids who didn't have much contact with others in infancy, pre-pandemic. Wouldn't this have shown up in them? Wouldn't it be part of the constant "advice for new parents" flood?
- yonaguska 4y ago
  If you're rural enough to not have any infant contact, you're not talking about lots of kids, you're talking about a very small population. Even then, you're still probably going to be exposed to whatever community you are a part of. Very few people are actually "off the grid" in that respect.
  - ipaddr 4y ago
    Rural kids added up is a big enough population to see a difference in the stats.
skeeter2020 4y ago
When you go on maternity leave you don't stay in isolation with the kid, and the rest of your family continues to interact with many people as well. Copmare that to the past 2+ years where family units stayed isolated for long periods and then only interacted with masks, distancing and enhanced cleaning protocols. Chlidren globally most certainly avoided infections during this time, the stats for any children's hospital back this up.
pessimizer 4y ago
> Those kids didn't spend 2 years locked at home. Plenty of kids spent two years locked at home. Plenty of middle-class adults with remote jobs spent two years locked at home, with weeks at a time literally not opening a door to the outside. In the two cases I know of relatively wealthy (upper-middle class developers) couples with remote jobs who had a child either in the year before or at the beginning of lockdown, they were 100x more isolated than the other people I knew. I blame this on the hysterical coverage of infant covid deaths on the news, when the national numbers of infant deaths were something you could have counted on your fingers. Every infant death was national news for some stupid, obvious reason. edit: And this was real isolation. People wouldn't allow relatives or parents to visit. They were more likely to get their mothers to move in and live with them than to let them visit (thinking about one of the two couples specifically.) This is the opposite of what normally happens with newborns.
- viraptor 4y ago
  > with weeks at a time literally not opening a door to the outside That sounds very exaggerated. Do you think they stocked up on weeks worth of frozen food to survive?
  - berberous 4y ago
    Instacart dropped off at front door.
  - m_t 4y ago
    I think we can assume that pessimizer means that opening the door for the supermarket delivery doesn't count.
  - deleted 4y ago
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  - vuln 4y ago
    Amazon has a feature that if the customer allows it the delivery person can open garage place items inside garage and close garage door.
  - 4y ago

by sofixa 4y ago

pjc50 4y ago

Some of the kids would have been totally isolated, especially if they or a parent are otherwise classed as "clinically vulnerable". Or just very determined not to risk COVID.

junofan 4y ago

Sounds like the difference may be circulating adenovirus and AAV-2.

INTPenis 4y ago

drcongo 4y ago
Parent had quite clearly read the article, but I suspect you hadn't read all of their post before replying with whatever this is.

h2odragon 4y ago

I have doubts, too. There's lots of rural kids who didn't have much contact with others in infancy, pre-pandemic. Wouldn't this have shown up in them? Wouldn't it be part of the constant "advice for new parents" flood?

yonaguska 4y ago
If you're rural enough to not have any infant contact, you're not talking about lots of kids, you're talking about a very small population. Even then, you're still probably going to be exposed to whatever community you are a part of. Very few people are actually "off the grid" in that respect.
- ipaddr 4y ago
  Rural kids added up is a big enough population to see a difference in the stats.

skeeter2020 4y ago

When you go on maternity leave you don't stay in isolation with the kid, and the rest of your family continues to interact with many people as well. Copmare that to the past 2+ years where family units stayed isolated for long periods and then only interacted with masks, distancing and enhanced cleaning protocols. Chlidren globally most certainly avoided infections during this time, the stats for any children's hospital back this up.

pessimizer 4y ago

> Those kids didn't spend 2 years locked at home. Plenty of kids spent two years locked at home. Plenty of middle-class adults with remote jobs spent two years locked at home, with weeks at a time literally not opening a door to the outside. In the two cases I know of relatively wealthy (upper-middle class developers) couples with remote jobs who had a child either in the year before or at the beginning of lockdown, they were 100x more isolated than the other people I knew. I blame this on the hysterical coverage of infant covid deaths on the news, when the national numbers of infant deaths were something you could have counted on your fingers. Every infant death was national news for some stupid, obvious reason. edit: And this was real isolation. People wouldn't allow relatives or parents to visit. They were more likely to get their mothers to move in and live with them than to let them visit (thinking about one of the two couples specifically.) This is the opposite of what normally happens with newborns.

viraptor 4y ago
> with weeks at a time literally not opening a door to the outside That sounds very exaggerated. Do you think they stocked up on weeks worth of frozen food to survive?
- berberous 4y ago
  Instacart dropped off at front door.
- m_t 4y ago
  I think we can assume that pessimizer means that opening the door for the supermarket delivery doesn't count.
- deleted 4y ago
  [deleted]
- vuln 4y ago
  Amazon has a feature that if the customer allows it the delivery person can open garage place items inside garage and close garage door.
- 4y ago