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I suppose emulating STM32s is all we can do at the moment. Impossible to buy one until sometime in 2023. On a more serious note: Great project!

keewee7 4y ago
I thought MCUs popular in both industry, college, and among hobbyists would be more readily available by now. What is actually possible to get your hands on now? What about 32-bit ARM Arduinos and ESP32s?
- taneq 4y ago
  We're using ESP32s in everything, originally because they're pretty great (what's not to love about lots of IO combined with wifi and bluetooth?) but also now because they're the only thing you can get.
- deleted 4y ago
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- mmoskal 4y ago
  Popular in production = hard to get mostly. Eg you can get STM32G030 and similar at quite normal prices at LCSC (and thus JLCPCB assembly service, highly recommended over hand soldering BTW). OTOH stm32f030 (older and 2x worse in most respects) are way overpriced. In addition to various esp32s (which have very decent sdk) you can easily get rp2040. You can also get a number of Chinese chips other than esp32 but good luck programming these.
  - kurtjd 4y ago
    I had success programming Chinese clones of the STM32F103C8T6 aka Blue Pill by just changing the device signature the programmer looks for via a flag in openocd. Fortunately these blue pill clones behave identically (so far, in my experience) to the real thing and are abundant and cheap on eBay so might be a good option for those who still want to work with a STM32 chip.
- an-unknown 4y ago
  > What is actually possible to get your hands on now? You can get your hands on many different chips right now, including many different STM32 microcontrollers. The more important question is "at what price" though, because some of these chips are more than 10x more expensive than years ago.
- vbezhenar 4y ago
  RP2040
- swamp40 4y ago
  > What is actually possible to get your hands on now? Nobody's going to tell you that. Closely guarded secrets. Sorry.
- the__alchemist 4y ago
  ESP32s in most (all?) variant are available. So are nRFs. Most ICs that were out of stock 1-2 years ago are avail again. STM32s (most/all variants?) are unavailable. It's frustrating since these are very nice MCUs for a number of use cases. Ie fast, loads of hardware peripherals, variants and footprints to fit various project requirements.
riffraff 4y ago
How come STM32s are not available? I thought the chip supply issues were mostly related to smaller process nodes while these should be made on relatively older ones.
- mastax 4y ago
  No there's an everything shortage in electronics. Fancy chips, old chips, power chips, capacitors, connectors, epoxy resin. https://www.digikey.com/en/resources/reports/lead-time-trends https://www.digikey.com/en/resources/reports/lead-time-trend...
- jhallenworld 4y ago
  The short answer is that they are not building more fabs for non-leading edge processes, like those used by STM32. There is an interesting video about this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YJrOuBkYCMQ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YJrOuBkYCMQ
  - r3012 4y ago
    There are variants of STM32 that are 90nm. A 90nm foundry was just announced. Not sure if they’re planning on making STM32s, probably not, but there are non-leading edge foundries being run and more are being made. Here is an announcement from this month https://www.eetimes.com/skywater-to-build-1-8-billion-fab-in-indiana/ https://www.eetimes.com/skywater-to-build-1-8-billion-fab-in...
  - riffraff 4y ago
    Pretty interesting, thanks!

keewee7 4y ago

I thought MCUs popular in both industry, college, and among hobbyists would be more readily available by now. What is actually possible to get your hands on now? What about 32-bit ARM Arduinos and ESP32s?

taneq 4y ago
We're using ESP32s in everything, originally because they're pretty great (what's not to love about lots of IO combined with wifi and bluetooth?) but also now because they're the only thing you can get.
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mmoskal 4y ago
Popular in production = hard to get mostly. Eg you can get STM32G030 and similar at quite normal prices at LCSC (and thus JLCPCB assembly service, highly recommended over hand soldering BTW). OTOH stm32f030 (older and 2x worse in most respects) are way overpriced. In addition to various esp32s (which have very decent sdk) you can easily get rp2040. You can also get a number of Chinese chips other than esp32 but good luck programming these.
- kurtjd 4y ago
  I had success programming Chinese clones of the STM32F103C8T6 aka Blue Pill by just changing the device signature the programmer looks for via a flag in openocd. Fortunately these blue pill clones behave identically (so far, in my experience) to the real thing and are abundant and cheap on eBay so might be a good option for those who still want to work with a STM32 chip.
an-unknown 4y ago
> What is actually possible to get your hands on now? You can get your hands on many different chips right now, including many different STM32 microcontrollers. The more important question is "at what price" though, because some of these chips are more than 10x more expensive than years ago.
vbezhenar 4y ago
RP2040
swamp40 4y ago
> What is actually possible to get your hands on now? Nobody's going to tell you that. Closely guarded secrets. Sorry.
the__alchemist 4y ago
ESP32s in most (all?) variant are available. So are nRFs. Most ICs that were out of stock 1-2 years ago are avail again. STM32s (most/all variants?) are unavailable. It's frustrating since these are very nice MCUs for a number of use cases. Ie fast, loads of hardware peripherals, variants and footprints to fit various project requirements.

riffraff 4y ago

How come STM32s are not available? I thought the chip supply issues were mostly related to smaller process nodes while these should be made on relatively older ones.

mastax 4y ago
No there's an everything shortage in electronics. Fancy chips, old chips, power chips, capacitors, connectors, epoxy resin. https://www.digikey.com/en/resources/reports/lead-time-trends https://www.digikey.com/en/resources/reports/lead-time-trend...
jhallenworld 4y ago
The short answer is that they are not building more fabs for non-leading edge processes, like those used by STM32. There is an interesting video about this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YJrOuBkYCMQ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YJrOuBkYCMQ
- r3012 4y ago
  There are variants of STM32 that are 90nm. A 90nm foundry was just announced. Not sure if they’re planning on making STM32s, probably not, but there are non-leading edge foundries being run and more are being made. Here is an announcement from this month https://www.eetimes.com/skywater-to-build-1-8-billion-fab-in-indiana/ https://www.eetimes.com/skywater-to-build-1-8-billion-fab-in...
- riffraff 4y ago
  Pretty interesting, thanks!