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“I consulted a magic box and arrived at the answer” is precisely the kind of paper that is an example of search, and not research. I mean, they plainly stated t

“I consulted a magic box and arrived at the answer” is precisely the kind of paper that is an example of search, and not research. I mean, they plainly stated that’s what they’ve done. How would you go about redoing exactly what Lander and Parkin did? You can’t because they don’t really say. Isn’t this whole thread about a lack of reproducible studies resulting in fraud? But anyway, I like what you’re doing here because you’re beginning to document why the modern peer review system was developed in the first place in the 70s. Sounds like a good topic for a research paper.

Retric 4y ago
A counter example is a proof unto it’s self there is no need to derive it again, just verify the counter example is correct. Many modern papers are of this form. If you have some specific data as recent enough to be valid I could provide one but I am not going to just pick a paper from 1990 and you say nope not recent enough.
- ModernMech 4y ago
  There are many reasons to reproduce papers, it doesn’t matter if the author is unquestionably correct. One is to establish that they actually did what they said they did. What if the authors stole this result? It’s certainly happened before. If we don’t accept students divining solutions, why should we accept that from scholars? Another is for posterity and for future generations. If I give the paper you cited to a student, they can be wowed at its brevity and impressed by its genius, but they learn nothing. I get you’re trying to prove your point but all you’ve done is solidify my position in my mind that literature reviews are essential to good research. You’ve given me a great topic for my talk to our incoming class of Ph.D. students in a couple weeks, so thanks for that, I mean it. Cheers.
  - Retric 4y ago
    So you aren’t actually open to new information, that’s disappointing but unsurprising. I get your stance but again papers aren’t textbooks. O well, there’s a reason science advances one retirement at a time.
    - ModernMech 4y ago
      Sheesh, I don’t think that was called for. Was a good discussion until that :/
      - Retric 4y ago
        Yea, I was going to delete it. Just got annoyed you tried to weasel out of picking a date and tried to pretend you had won the argument.

Retric 4y ago

A counter example is a proof unto it’s self there is no need to derive it again, just verify the counter example is correct. Many modern papers are of this form. If you have some specific data as recent enough to be valid I could provide one but I am not going to just pick a paper from 1990 and you say nope not recent enough.

ModernMech 4y ago
There are many reasons to reproduce papers, it doesn’t matter if the author is unquestionably correct. One is to establish that they actually did what they said they did. What if the authors stole this result? It’s certainly happened before. If we don’t accept students divining solutions, why should we accept that from scholars? Another is for posterity and for future generations. If I give the paper you cited to a student, they can be wowed at its brevity and impressed by its genius, but they learn nothing. I get you’re trying to prove your point but all you’ve done is solidify my position in my mind that literature reviews are essential to good research. You’ve given me a great topic for my talk to our incoming class of Ph.D. students in a couple weeks, so thanks for that, I mean it. Cheers.
- Retric 4y ago
  So you aren’t actually open to new information, that’s disappointing but unsurprising. I get your stance but again papers aren’t textbooks. O well, there’s a reason science advances one retirement at a time.
  - ModernMech 4y ago
    Sheesh, I don’t think that was called for. Was a good discussion until that :/
    - Retric 4y ago
      Yea, I was going to delete it. Just got annoyed you tried to weasel out of picking a date and tried to pretend you had won the argument.