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it is high time we called 'PR' what it is - corporate propaganda - in order to strip the discipline of the legitimacy it somehow retains. It's basically paid fo

it is high time we called 'PR' what it is - corporate propaganda - in order to strip the discipline of the legitimacy it somehow retains. It's basically paid for BS, and when it comes to climate change, everyone is going to be paying the price

aurora72 4y ago
So you believe whatever story appears on BBC?
- phtrivier 4y ago
  "So you believe BBC exists ? Do your own research !". Yes, though, I'm inclined to believe a sourced article from a major publicly founded outlet including quotes from the "accused" admiting to what they have done, over most corporate PR. But maybe I should not, what do we care anyway ?
  - aurora72 4y ago
    They'll of course add the "sources". They are not stupid. Addendum: Yep I believe BBC exists.
- hunglee2 4y ago
  No - the claim that PR agencies were involved in climate change denial is pretty solid. It's basically their work. My point is that we should resist the renaming BS
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headsoup 4y ago
Do you at least appreciate the irony of the BBC here saying we shouldn't give contrary opinions a stage as a way of ensuring integrity?
- hunglee2 4y ago
  yes indeed I do, BBC itself started for PR purposes, I believe BBC Worldwide retains it as its core purpose
  - Angostura 4y ago
    The BBC was started with the core mission to 'Inform, educate, entertain.' The BBC World Service - funded by the Foreign Office, rather than from the core BBC license fee funding, did indeed have soft-power as part of its remit.
- Barrin92 4y ago
  The BBC as a public broadcaster isn't in the business of hosting contrarians for profit but to broadcast factful news, so.. not really. The opinion of scientists qualified to speak on the question of CC matters, letting literal oil lobbyists speak is like asking the fox if we should keep the door to the henhouse open.
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  - jamessb 4y ago
    > The BBC as a public broadcaster isn't in the business of hosting contrarians In the past, the BBC certainly has been in the business of "hosting contrarians", though perhaps with the misguided intention of providing balance rather than attracting viewers. For example, OFCOM found them to have broken broadcasting standards by allowing Lord Lawson (a well-known climate change denialist) to make false statements on the Today Program [1, 2] without being challenged or corrected. This happened despite a complaint being upheld about a previous appearance of the same guest on the same program [3]. [1]: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-43699607 https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-43699607 [2]: https://www.ofcom.org.uk/__data/assets/pdf_file/0012/112701/issue-351-broadcast-on-demand-bulletin.pdf https://www.ofcom.org.uk/__data/assets/pdf_file/0012/112701/... [3]: https://web.archive.org/web/20140901181614/https://www.bbc.co.uk/complaints/comp-reports/ecu/today13022014 https://web.archive.org/web/20140901181614/https://www.bbc.c...
kaushikc 4y ago
Proper terminology needs to be crafted for corporate tactics and their incessant attempts towards undermining public good.
- tiborsaas 4y ago
  No word-crafting is needed, it's called a conspiracy.
Comevius 4y ago
It's crimes against humanity, it's what it is. Sabotaging the human race for personal gain is the ultimate crime, it makes Hitler look like a saint. Any sentient species in the Universe wishing to prevail must, absolutely must be able to effectively discourage such behavior.
- silverpepsi 4y ago
  ...Sentence two, and y'all folks keep wondering who is fueling the lack of trust & emergence of conspiracy theories. When you're fueling the emotional aspect with your words that unabashedly, you are making people who are on the fence or unsure certain something is really wrong with the mainstream claims. I can tell you this just from the reaction you gave me in the pit of my stomach.
  - Comevius 4y ago
    I have strong sense of justice, but this is how countries are built to last. Rest assured that I wouldn't let some libertarian think tank and their corporate sponsors get away with such manipulation of public opinion for personal gain. On the other hand if you are on the fence about climate change please call me ASAP, I have some property to sell.
  - superchroma 4y ago
    No, it's an emergency. We've screwed the planet, big time. When they're cutting open whales to reveal heaps of plastic, find it on Everest's peak and also in our meat at the supermarket, and when 3M is still, to this very day, trying to weasel out of being forbidden from making PFAS (a pointless, stupid chemical group that we basically didn't need as a race), we can't afford to sit idly by and entertain the feelings of people who never really had an interest in anything outside of their yard.
- celdon25 4y ago
  > it makes Hitler look like a saint. You clearly don't understand what you are talking about, based on this.

aurora72 4y ago

So you believe whatever story appears on BBC?

phtrivier 4y ago
"So you believe BBC exists ? Do your own research !". Yes, though, I'm inclined to believe a sourced article from a major publicly founded outlet including quotes from the "accused" admiting to what they have done, over most corporate PR. But maybe I should not, what do we care anyway ?
- aurora72 4y ago
  They'll of course add the "sources". They are not stupid. Addendum: Yep I believe BBC exists.
hunglee2 4y ago
No - the claim that PR agencies were involved in climate change denial is pretty solid. It's basically their work. My point is that we should resist the renaming BS

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headsoup 4y ago

Do you at least appreciate the irony of the BBC here saying we shouldn't give contrary opinions a stage as a way of ensuring integrity?

hunglee2 4y ago
yes indeed I do, BBC itself started for PR purposes, I believe BBC Worldwide retains it as its core purpose
- Angostura 4y ago
  The BBC was started with the core mission to 'Inform, educate, entertain.' The BBC World Service - funded by the Foreign Office, rather than from the core BBC license fee funding, did indeed have soft-power as part of its remit.
Barrin92 4y ago
The BBC as a public broadcaster isn't in the business of hosting contrarians for profit but to broadcast factful news, so.. not really. The opinion of scientists qualified to speak on the question of CC matters, letting literal oil lobbyists speak is like asking the fox if we should keep the door to the henhouse open.
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- jamessb 4y ago
  > The BBC as a public broadcaster isn't in the business of hosting contrarians In the past, the BBC certainly has been in the business of "hosting contrarians", though perhaps with the misguided intention of providing balance rather than attracting viewers. For example, OFCOM found them to have broken broadcasting standards by allowing Lord Lawson (a well-known climate change denialist) to make false statements on the Today Program [1, 2] without being challenged or corrected. This happened despite a complaint being upheld about a previous appearance of the same guest on the same program [3]. [1]: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-43699607 https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-43699607 [2]: https://www.ofcom.org.uk/__data/assets/pdf_file/0012/112701/issue-351-broadcast-on-demand-bulletin.pdf https://www.ofcom.org.uk/__data/assets/pdf_file/0012/112701/... [3]: https://web.archive.org/web/20140901181614/https://www.bbc.co.uk/complaints/comp-reports/ecu/today13022014 https://web.archive.org/web/20140901181614/https://www.bbc.c...

kaushikc 4y ago

Proper terminology needs to be crafted for corporate tactics and their incessant attempts towards undermining public good.

tiborsaas 4y ago
No word-crafting is needed, it's called a conspiracy.

Comevius 4y ago

It's crimes against humanity, it's what it is. Sabotaging the human race for personal gain is the ultimate crime, it makes Hitler look like a saint. Any sentient species in the Universe wishing to prevail must, absolutely must be able to effectively discourage such behavior.

silverpepsi 4y ago
...Sentence two, and y'all folks keep wondering who is fueling the lack of trust & emergence of conspiracy theories. When you're fueling the emotional aspect with your words that unabashedly, you are making people who are on the fence or unsure certain something is really wrong with the mainstream claims. I can tell you this just from the reaction you gave me in the pit of my stomach.
- Comevius 4y ago
  I have strong sense of justice, but this is how countries are built to last. Rest assured that I wouldn't let some libertarian think tank and their corporate sponsors get away with such manipulation of public opinion for personal gain. On the other hand if you are on the fence about climate change please call me ASAP, I have some property to sell.
- superchroma 4y ago
  No, it's an emergency. We've screwed the planet, big time. When they're cutting open whales to reveal heaps of plastic, find it on Everest's peak and also in our meat at the supermarket, and when 3M is still, to this very day, trying to weasel out of being forbidden from making PFAS (a pointless, stupid chemical group that we basically didn't need as a race), we can't afford to sit idly by and entertain the feelings of people who never really had an interest in anything outside of their yard.
celdon25 4y ago
> it makes Hitler look like a saint. You clearly don't understand what you are talking about, based on this.