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> what they need are hipsters with trouble hair and strong opinions on pronouns Mate, seriosly, where did _that_ come from? I mean, as a _REAL PROGRAMMER_ my

> what they need are hipsters with trouble hair and strong opinions on pronouns Mate, seriosly, where did _that_ come from? I mean, as a _REAL PROGRAMMER_ myself, it sounds to me as _you_ have strong opinions about other peoples pronouns ;)

dusted 4y ago
I only want one pronoun, and it should mean "you're not interesting enough for me to care" :) I don't know where it came from tbh, probably monday lack of caffeine and capacity to handle the many facets of being human.. A weariness of constantly seeing articles about why and how my gender and culture is toxic and must change to focus on stuff I don't care about.. I just want to program computers.. I don't care about the politics or culture, if I did, I'd have become something in the humanities.. And the constant pressure to extinguish the thing in my field that makes it comfortable for me to be there.. That I do in fact get to be left alone for long stretches of time to focus on doing something I _can_ do well, rather than a constant nagging about the things I find uncomfortable and can't do well.. Kinda gets to me the end, the constant hate on the oldfashioned stereotypical loner geek.. The constant pressure to push them out because they don't conform socially or enjoy working in teams.. Thing is, while functioning in a team is something that can be learnt to some degree, it's not the default mode of operation for all of us.. And the pressure to make it the default mode of operation for all software development nags me, because it means that there won't be a place for me in the future, I will be excluded, in the holy name of inclusivity (which means something very specific, namely defined by problem hair and pronouns). Because, I'm one of the wrong ones, I've always been, but in the past, computers were the one place where I could be myself on my own terms.
- watwut 4y ago
  Agile development and push for constant teamwork was here for years and years, at the time when being gay was openly mockable. The daily standups are the thing first introduced 20 years ago. If you really don't care about politics and culture, why are you venting your frustrations with collaborative process that exists entirely independently on trans people?
  - dusted 4y ago
    I've never said a word about trans people, I literally just wrote that I don't care about that stuff?!
    - watwut 4y ago
      You wrote that you don't care about politics. Then you complained about agile style teamwork and related it to pronouns and trans politics, despite the two having zero with each other. That is not just caring about politics, that is actively bringing it up. And it is not just taking side, but it is going out of way to blame the side youbare opposed to for stuff they have nothing to do with. (Like your issue to focus). You do care about that stuff it seems to and you do care a lot about pronouns.
      - CRConrad 4y ago
        > Then you complained about agile style teamwork and related it to pronouns and trans politics, despite the two having zero with each other. > That is not just caring about politics, that is actively bringing it up. I read their complaint as not being about "pronouns and trans politics" per se, but with the fact that stuff like that is becoming so dominant in the workplace. GP was saying that that's all irrelevant to them[1], not taking sides pro or contra. ___ [1]: Or, let's be honest, him.

dusted 4y ago

I only want one pronoun, and it should mean "you're not interesting enough for me to care" :) I don't know where it came from tbh, probably monday lack of caffeine and capacity to handle the many facets of being human.. A weariness of constantly seeing articles about why and how my gender and culture is toxic and must change to focus on stuff I don't care about.. I just want to program computers.. I don't care about the politics or culture, if I did, I'd have become something in the humanities.. And the constant pressure to extinguish the thing in my field that makes it comfortable for me to be there.. That I do in fact get to be left alone for long stretches of time to focus on doing something I _can_ do well, rather than a constant nagging about the things I find uncomfortable and can't do well.. Kinda gets to me the end, the constant hate on the oldfashioned stereotypical loner geek.. The constant pressure to push them out because they don't conform socially or enjoy working in teams.. Thing is, while functioning in a team is something that can be learnt to some degree, it's not the default mode of operation for all of us.. And the pressure to make it the default mode of operation for all software development nags me, because it means that there won't be a place for me in the future, I will be excluded, in the holy name of inclusivity (which means something very specific, namely defined by problem hair and pronouns). Because, I'm one of the wrong ones, I've always been, but in the past, computers were the one place where I could be myself on my own terms.

watwut 4y ago
Agile development and push for constant teamwork was here for years and years, at the time when being gay was openly mockable. The daily standups are the thing first introduced 20 years ago. If you really don't care about politics and culture, why are you venting your frustrations with collaborative process that exists entirely independently on trans people?
- dusted 4y ago
  I've never said a word about trans people, I literally just wrote that I don't care about that stuff?!
  - watwut 4y ago
    You wrote that you don't care about politics. Then you complained about agile style teamwork and related it to pronouns and trans politics, despite the two having zero with each other. That is not just caring about politics, that is actively bringing it up. And it is not just taking side, but it is going out of way to blame the side youbare opposed to for stuff they have nothing to do with. (Like your issue to focus). You do care about that stuff it seems to and you do care a lot about pronouns.
    - CRConrad 4y ago
      > Then you complained about agile style teamwork and related it to pronouns and trans politics, despite the two having zero with each other. > That is not just caring about politics, that is actively bringing it up. I read their complaint as not being about "pronouns and trans politics" per se, but with the fact that stuff like that is becoming so dominant in the workplace. GP was saying that that's all irrelevant to them[1], not taking sides pro or contra. ___ [1]: Or, let's be honest, him.