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I've been a .NET developer professionally for seven and a half years. Rider is the way to go. Visual Studio has improved dramatically over the last decade or so

I've been a .NET developer professionally for seven and a half years. Rider is the way to go. Visual Studio has improved dramatically over the last decade or so, but Rider is still way ahead of it on code search/discovery, performance, and general user experience. I did a tech talk at my company where I demoed Rider vs Visual Studio 2019 performance on our bigger projects... it was embarrassing for VS. VS 2022 was substantially better on performance, but also crashed during the demo.

bbkane 4y ago
I'd love to watch that talk if you're comfortable posting a link
- ivraatiems 4y ago
  Unfortunately, because it contains proprietary source, I cannot :(.
aaaaaaaaata 4y ago
And...how do both companies compare in what telemetry they're sucking out of devs?
- SamuelAdams 4y ago
  Fair question, devs who do not want to share telemetry for the dotnet core SDK simply need to set an environment variable. VSCode has a similar setting in the options. Not sure about Visual Studio as I haven’t used it in a while. https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/dotnet/core/tools/telemetry https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/dotnet/core/tools/telemetry
  - fartcannon 4y ago
    Opt out is ridiculous for a programming language. Do you really want to play security whack-a-mole with your development environment? There are countless, better privacy respecting tools.
202206241203 4y ago
Rider does not have a community edition unlike IDEA. It was created due to a combined threat of VS Code and Roslyn and is the reason ReSharper is almost neglected these days.
- ziml77 4y ago
  ReSharper isn't a heavy focus because it's not worth it anymore. To get the same performance as other tools they'd need to throw out a ton of work and rewrite it for Roslyn. With Rider, they get to continue to use their existing ReSharper codebase to power it.
  - 202206241203 4y ago
    They don't forget to charge same (even increased) fee for minimal updates, though.
the_only_law 4y ago
Visual Studio is great, but also one of the most broken bits of software I've had to use.
WorldMaker 4y ago
Was that comparison both with or without ReSharper? Were you comparing fresh installs with no plugins on both sides?
nonbirithm 4y ago
I'd love to use Rider on Linux or even Windows. Sadly the lack of .NET hot reload on Linux and Rider's issues with hot reload on Windows are what keep me on Visual Studio. (Rider's implementation of hot reload doesn't support assemblies loaded at runtime yet, which my application depends on). It's sad that the time saved with Visual Studio's hot reload alone seems to outweigh the (massive) performance gains from using Rider, given that I have to restart VS from its memory leaks multiple times a day or it will slow to a crawl. Omnisharp isn't performant or reliable enough for daily use, either. The current state of .NET tooling leaves me unsatisfied.
- GiorgioG 4y ago
  I’m amazed hot reload works consistently enough for you to be able to use it.

bbkane 4y ago

I'd love to watch that talk if you're comfortable posting a link

ivraatiems 4y ago
Unfortunately, because it contains proprietary source, I cannot :(.

aaaaaaaaata 4y ago

And...how do both companies compare in what telemetry they're sucking out of devs?

SamuelAdams 4y ago
Fair question, devs who do not want to share telemetry for the dotnet core SDK simply need to set an environment variable. VSCode has a similar setting in the options. Not sure about Visual Studio as I haven’t used it in a while. https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/dotnet/core/tools/telemetry https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/dotnet/core/tools/telemetry
- fartcannon 4y ago
  Opt out is ridiculous for a programming language. Do you really want to play security whack-a-mole with your development environment? There are countless, better privacy respecting tools.

202206241203 4y ago

Rider does not have a community edition unlike IDEA. It was created due to a combined threat of VS Code and Roslyn and is the reason ReSharper is almost neglected these days.

ziml77 4y ago
ReSharper isn't a heavy focus because it's not worth it anymore. To get the same performance as other tools they'd need to throw out a ton of work and rewrite it for Roslyn. With Rider, they get to continue to use their existing ReSharper codebase to power it.
- 202206241203 4y ago
  They don't forget to charge same (even increased) fee for minimal updates, though.

the_only_law 4y ago

Visual Studio is great, but also one of the most broken bits of software I've had to use.

WorldMaker 4y ago

Was that comparison both with or without ReSharper? Were you comparing fresh installs with no plugins on both sides?

nonbirithm 4y ago

I'd love to use Rider on Linux or even Windows. Sadly the lack of .NET hot reload on Linux and Rider's issues with hot reload on Windows are what keep me on Visual Studio. (Rider's implementation of hot reload doesn't support assemblies loaded at runtime yet, which my application depends on). It's sad that the time saved with Visual Studio's hot reload alone seems to outweigh the (massive) performance gains from using Rider, given that I have to restart VS from its memory leaks multiple times a day or it will slow to a crawl. Omnisharp isn't performant or reliable enough for daily use, either. The current state of .NET tooling leaves me unsatisfied.

GiorgioG 4y ago
I’m amazed hot reload works consistently enough for you to be able to use it.