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Hottake: Without JetBrains Rider .NET would have no cross platform dev experience. VS is shitty Windows bloatware, VS for Mac is utter rubbish and OmniSharp w

Hottake: Without JetBrains Rider .NET would have no cross platform dev experience. VS is shitty Windows bloatware, VS for Mac is utter rubbish and OmniSharp was killed by Microsoft because they didn't fancy to give away dev tools for free and purposefully killed it in order to replace OmniSharp with a closed source extension, which as of today doesn't exist yet. So if you are a Linux developer then you are basically fucked today if you wanted to use .NET, except there is Rider. Without Rider .NET would be completely unattractive today. If one is okay with this then .NET is amazing. Otherwise I cannot advocate for .NET anymore I am afraid. Microsoft doesn't see what's good for them. VS Code is the future, not VS. They invest too much time and money and marketing in selling VS to developers instead of making VS Code a great free OSS experience.

oaiey 4y ago
I think they are exactly seeing this and acting on it. IMHO they will start offering on VS Code a basic free product (a stable omnisharp equivalent) good enough for coding, debugging, etc. and then pricy options like visual designers, intellitrace, AI-guided coding, hot reload, etc. IMHO they will do the same for Python, PHP and others. They head of the dev division needs to protect the revenue. Simple as that. However, I completely agree with your sentiment: "Microsoft doesn't see what's good for them" ... because "free" is not "open source" and trust does not come from "free" but from "open source".
kcartlidge 4y ago
Totally get the bigger point, but I have to say the latest VS Mac is actually shaping up quite well and I like it. Though of course in retrospect it does depend upon which workloads you're working on - and I mostly do command line tooling, web apps, and APIs, none of which require a design surface so maybe that's why my opinion differs as I've no informed idea how good/bad the layout aspect is.

oaiey 4y ago

I think they are exactly seeing this and acting on it. IMHO they will start offering on VS Code a basic free product (a stable omnisharp equivalent) good enough for coding, debugging, etc. and then pricy options like visual designers, intellitrace, AI-guided coding, hot reload, etc. IMHO they will do the same for Python, PHP and others. They head of the dev division needs to protect the revenue. Simple as that. However, I completely agree with your sentiment: "Microsoft doesn't see what's good for them" ... because "free" is not "open source" and trust does not come from "free" but from "open source".

kcartlidge 4y ago

Totally get the bigger point, but I have to say the latest VS Mac is actually shaping up quite well and I like it. Though of course in retrospect it does depend upon which workloads you're working on - and I mostly do command line tooling, web apps, and APIs, none of which require a design surface so maybe that's why my opinion differs as I've no informed idea how good/bad the layout aspect is.