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This seems like an example of taking the giant ocean of people that is Twitter and Tiktok and pretending even 100 crazy people in a population of literally bill

by XorNot 4y ago

This seems like an example of taking the giant ocean of people that is Twitter and Tiktok and pretending even 100 crazy people in a population of literally billions represents a "trend" or societal phenomenon.

majormajor 4y ago
One might hypothesize that the most active users of Twitter might not be the most representative of the greater population, even... However, any idea along the lines of "people need help, not acceptance" needs to be very carefully discussed, because in the world I grew up in, you didn't get help or acceptance: you got punishment, you got shame, you even sometimes got violence as "treatment." A lot of people out there who will latch onto anything telling them they don't need to be accepting of difference.
- pawsforthought 4y ago
  > you even sometimes got violence as "treatment." For example, electroconvulsive therapy in its early days. To quote the Mayo Clinic [1]: > Much of the stigma attached to ECT is based on early treatments in which high doses of electricity were administered without anesthesia, leading to memory loss, fractured bones and other serious side effects. [1]: https://www.mayoclinic.org/tests-procedures/electroconvulsive-therapy/about/pac-20393894 https://www.mayoclinic.org/tests-procedures/electroconvulsiv...
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- XorNot 4y ago
  I very much agree: my point was that the people who push ideas like this do so by misrepresenting occurrence rates and motivations (social media isn't an insight into people's lives at scale, it's as real as "reality" TV). Ultimately it's yet another "think of the children!" variant.
- antifa 4y ago
  > because in the world I grew up in, you didn't get help or acceptance: you got punishment, you got shame, you even sometimes got violence as "treatment." That's mostly still the world we live in, the main difference is that you can login to tumblr and find out you're not alone.
darth_avocado 4y ago
You’ve either not interacted with the younger generations enough or you haven’t noticed it yet, there is an alarming number of people who claim to have some form of disability. And for a huge percentage of them, that’s their personality. Finding people with actual problems that keep it to themselves and not use it as a way to gain advantages in life is becoming harder. Though I will admit, I am largely talking about urban Americans, i am not sure about the rural america. The point being, it’s more than a sample size of 100 tiktokers.
- XorNot 4y ago
  You haven't pointed to a single statistical survey here. This whole post is you going "nah it's totally happening" based on your feelings and social media. Which are basically Twitter, Tiktok, and various subreddits which repost those things to criticise them.
  - fuzzfactor 4y ago
    All I have is anecdata myself. But it's not just the younger generation, you can go back a ways. I'm no youngster either. My old uncle was a hypochondriac. Mom said he just acted that way to get attention. One time he called and wanted her to fix him some chicken soup, and I ended up bringing it over to his apartment. I asked him how he was feeling and it was headaches, tiredness, foggy mindedness, and overall malaise. Doctor couldn't find a thing this time. I asked him how long had it been going on now. "In three weeks it'll be a month."

by XorNot 4y ago

majormajor 4y ago

One might hypothesize that the most active users of Twitter might not be the most representative of the greater population, even... However, any idea along the lines of "people need help, not acceptance" needs to be very carefully discussed, because in the world I grew up in, you didn't get help or acceptance: you got punishment, you got shame, you even sometimes got violence as "treatment." A lot of people out there who will latch onto anything telling them they don't need to be accepting of difference.

pawsforthought 4y ago
> you even sometimes got violence as "treatment." For example, electroconvulsive therapy in its early days. To quote the Mayo Clinic [1]: > Much of the stigma attached to ECT is based on early treatments in which high doses of electricity were administered without anesthesia, leading to memory loss, fractured bones and other serious side effects. [1]: https://www.mayoclinic.org/tests-procedures/electroconvulsive-therapy/about/pac-20393894 https://www.mayoclinic.org/tests-procedures/electroconvulsiv...
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XorNot 4y ago
I very much agree: my point was that the people who push ideas like this do so by misrepresenting occurrence rates and motivations (social media isn't an insight into people's lives at scale, it's as real as "reality" TV). Ultimately it's yet another "think of the children!" variant.
antifa 4y ago
> because in the world I grew up in, you didn't get help or acceptance: you got punishment, you got shame, you even sometimes got violence as "treatment." That's mostly still the world we live in, the main difference is that you can login to tumblr and find out you're not alone.

darth_avocado 4y ago

You’ve either not interacted with the younger generations enough or you haven’t noticed it yet, there is an alarming number of people who claim to have some form of disability. And for a huge percentage of them, that’s their personality. Finding people with actual problems that keep it to themselves and not use it as a way to gain advantages in life is becoming harder. Though I will admit, I am largely talking about urban Americans, i am not sure about the rural america. The point being, it’s more than a sample size of 100 tiktokers.

XorNot 4y ago
You haven't pointed to a single statistical survey here. This whole post is you going "nah it's totally happening" based on your feelings and social media. Which are basically Twitter, Tiktok, and various subreddits which repost those things to criticise them.
- fuzzfactor 4y ago
  All I have is anecdata myself. But it's not just the younger generation, you can go back a ways. I'm no youngster either. My old uncle was a hypochondriac. Mom said he just acted that way to get attention. One time he called and wanted her to fix him some chicken soup, and I ended up bringing it over to his apartment. I asked him how he was feeling and it was headaches, tiredness, foggy mindedness, and overall malaise. Doctor couldn't find a thing this time. I asked him how long had it been going on now. "In three weeks it'll be a month."