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You seem to assume that it will not mutate to become more transmissible. Comparisons to HIV seem inapt since you can't get that except by fluid exchange. This c

You seem to assume that it will not mutate to become more transmissible. Comparisons to HIV seem inapt since you can't get that except by fluid exchange. This can be transmitted by touch. It currently requires lots of touch. A more transmissible version could require less. We all hope it won't mutate, but if it does we may look back and wish we'd been more proactive at the beginning.

vineyardmike 4y ago
On the contrary, it will mutate (I'm not a viral scientist but seems expected) and it won't and isn't only sexual. Blaming sexual activity isn't reasonable because its not a "STI". Sex is a vector, but not the sole vector. It will mutate, it will spread, and it won't be stopped by telling gay people to stop having sex or shaming them for it. Proactivity is vaccinating the high-risk, and getting the word out there on transmission vectors - and this is happening. Proactivity is setting the "global health emergency" status by the WHO so governments can be aware to start ramping up vaccine productions and teaching doctors/nurses/etc to start screening for it. Proactivity is getting samples into labs so it can be tracked, and setting up tests so we can more easily identify cases. Proactivity is NOT shaming gay people for having sex. People were shamed for not wearing a mask with COVID when COVID was killing thousands and we didn't have vaccines and we didn't have tests and we couldn't keep hospitals functioning and old people were actively dying in alarming numbers. COVID took 14 days before symptoms started, so you couldn't adjust your risk and activities according to your health status. Today, we don't shame people for not still wearing a mask - because we have vaccines that work even better and are widely distributed. Likewise, we shouldn't shame people for engaging in sex, but instead encourage them to get vaccinated.
- crackercrews 4y ago
  > Likewise, we shouldn't shame people for engaging in sex, but instead encourage them to get vaccinated. If we had enough vaccines, they alone would be a great solution. But we don't, so we need to consider other ways to slow/stop the spread. > it won't be stopped by telling gay people to stop having sex or shaming them for it. For a lot of people, sexual orientation has nothing to do with how they view this. Their view would be the same if monkeypox were spreading among all young adults. Projecting anti-gay sentiment onto these people is not productive. It is also not accurate. They simply believe that it's not too much to give up promiscuous sexual behavior for 8 weeks or so. They would ask the same of straight people if it were spreading in that community.
  - vineyardmike 4y ago
    It is a gay issue and their is an anti-gay sentiment. There has always been an extremely judgement and opinionated view of gay men and their sexual behavior in society. You can’t separate that for certain issues. The rhetoric is “why can’t those horn dogs stop fucking [for a while]” (quote from a HN comment) NOT “why are 1M doses of the vaccine the US developed in 2001 sitting in crates in Europe and why have only 36K of them brought to the US”. SF alone has been begging the feds for 35K doses. Gay men are taking time out of their life and jobs and whatever to go stand outside hospitals hoping to get one of the few vaccine doses. People are ready and willing and a government that says “it’s just sex they can wait” is not a government that thinks “if we move fast we can stop the spread”. Broadly, telling people abstinence as a solution is always wrong. It’s a bad policy in the face of birth control, it’s a bad policy in the face of STIs and it’s a bad policy for monkey pox. yes abstinence will prevent pregnancies but it’s not a successful way to approach solutions because it has never worked. Hell, with covid telling people to just stay home didn’t work. People protested not being able to get haircuts.
    - crackercrews 4y ago
      > The rhetoric is “why can’t those horn dogs stop fucking [for a while]” (quote from a HN comment) Where is this comment? I searched the thread and the rest of HN and didn't find it. > It is a gay issue and their is an anti-gay sentiment. You seem to think that you get to decide what motivates other people to think things. I would think that doing so would lead to misunderstandings and conflict. For example, people who would support temporary abstinence policies regardless of the affected groups would bristle at being told their beliefs are anti-gay (unless they are, I supposed). They might tend be your ally on many other policies and causes, but feel alienated by your accusations. This is one reason why ascribing sentiment to other people's statements might not be a great idea.

vineyardmike 4y ago

On the contrary, it will mutate (I'm not a viral scientist but seems expected) and it won't and isn't only sexual. Blaming sexual activity isn't reasonable because its not a "STI". Sex is a vector, but not the sole vector. It will mutate, it will spread, and it won't be stopped by telling gay people to stop having sex or shaming them for it. Proactivity is vaccinating the high-risk, and getting the word out there on transmission vectors - and this is happening. Proactivity is setting the "global health emergency" status by the WHO so governments can be aware to start ramping up vaccine productions and teaching doctors/nurses/etc to start screening for it. Proactivity is getting samples into labs so it can be tracked, and setting up tests so we can more easily identify cases. Proactivity is NOT shaming gay people for having sex. People were shamed for not wearing a mask with COVID when COVID was killing thousands and we didn't have vaccines and we didn't have tests and we couldn't keep hospitals functioning and old people were actively dying in alarming numbers. COVID took 14 days before symptoms started, so you couldn't adjust your risk and activities according to your health status. Today, we don't shame people for not still wearing a mask - because we have vaccines that work even better and are widely distributed. Likewise, we shouldn't shame people for engaging in sex, but instead encourage them to get vaccinated.

crackercrews 4y ago
> Likewise, we shouldn't shame people for engaging in sex, but instead encourage them to get vaccinated. If we had enough vaccines, they alone would be a great solution. But we don't, so we need to consider other ways to slow/stop the spread. > it won't be stopped by telling gay people to stop having sex or shaming them for it. For a lot of people, sexual orientation has nothing to do with how they view this. Their view would be the same if monkeypox were spreading among all young adults. Projecting anti-gay sentiment onto these people is not productive. It is also not accurate. They simply believe that it's not too much to give up promiscuous sexual behavior for 8 weeks or so. They would ask the same of straight people if it were spreading in that community.
- vineyardmike 4y ago
  It is a gay issue and their is an anti-gay sentiment. There has always been an extremely judgement and opinionated view of gay men and their sexual behavior in society. You can’t separate that for certain issues. The rhetoric is “why can’t those horn dogs stop fucking [for a while]” (quote from a HN comment) NOT “why are 1M doses of the vaccine the US developed in 2001 sitting in crates in Europe and why have only 36K of them brought to the US”. SF alone has been begging the feds for 35K doses. Gay men are taking time out of their life and jobs and whatever to go stand outside hospitals hoping to get one of the few vaccine doses. People are ready and willing and a government that says “it’s just sex they can wait” is not a government that thinks “if we move fast we can stop the spread”. Broadly, telling people abstinence as a solution is always wrong. It’s a bad policy in the face of birth control, it’s a bad policy in the face of STIs and it’s a bad policy for monkey pox. yes abstinence will prevent pregnancies but it’s not a successful way to approach solutions because it has never worked. Hell, with covid telling people to just stay home didn’t work. People protested not being able to get haircuts.
  - crackercrews 4y ago
    > The rhetoric is “why can’t those horn dogs stop fucking [for a while]” (quote from a HN comment) Where is this comment? I searched the thread and the rest of HN and didn't find it. > It is a gay issue and their is an anti-gay sentiment. You seem to think that you get to decide what motivates other people to think things. I would think that doing so would lead to misunderstandings and conflict. For example, people who would support temporary abstinence policies regardless of the affected groups would bristle at being told their beliefs are anti-gay (unless they are, I supposed). They might tend be your ally on many other policies and causes, but feel alienated by your accusations. This is one reason why ascribing sentiment to other people's statements might not be a great idea.