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People are allowed to have opinions. Accusing them of being merely dupes of the media is out of line, and a tactic which seeks to reject their ability to hold a

People are allowed to have opinions. Accusing them of being merely dupes of the media is out of line, and a tactic which seeks to reject their ability to hold an opinion rather than engage with their opinion. If you don't have an argument to express in good faith, simply move on with your day rather than slinging mud.

8jef 4y ago
> People are allowed to have opinions. Yes, they are. And making one's opinion very public makes possible for others to express some opinion of their own about one's opinion. While aiming for a homerun, one has to accept getting hit where it hurts. That's what weak spots are for. Besides, as mentioned, appearances rarely conform to reality. In a deluge of opinions, reality drowns. Some people do value facts over fluff.
- maxbond 4y ago
  Accusing strangers on the internet of being dupes for expressing their opinion seeks to chill their speech instead of criticizing their ideas. If one believes their criticism is worthy, they shouldn't feel compelled to wrap it in bad faith tactics in order to express it publicly. If they feel that it can't stand on it's own without such tactics, it isn't worth expressing. This tactic is counter to what to suggest. It seeks to attack the other person's qualifications to hold an opinion rather than allow your arguments and theirs to be subjected to equal scrutiny.
ActorNightly 4y ago
Not sure how what I said means "People can't have an opinion". My overall point is that you should base your opinions on reality.
- Bubble_Pop_22 4y ago
  Reality = Brin might have faults but he's good at hiding them. He also founded a company that billions of people use every day , and not only that...they use all the various different flavors of Google. Also reality = Musk has many faults and he's very bad at hiding them. But that is essentially irrelevant for people who don't have to deal with him, also there isn't a scarcity of hot girls so the animosity towards playboys like him, Leonardo Di Caprio and Dan Bilzerian is out of place. Tough love for Musk fans = approximately 1 million people use the products/services sold by Musk companies...out of a potential audience of about 100/150 millions (those who can afford a luxury sedan). To summarize = I'd shake Brin's hand and pat him on the shoulder for a job well done, won't try to become his friend or anything. Would not do the same for Musk because there is nothing to congratulate him (yet).
  - ActorNightly 4y ago
    If you don't see his successes with Space X or Tesla as something worthy of congratulation, then I dunno what to tell you, we live in different realities then.
    - Bubble_Pop_22 4y ago
      This is not politics or entertainment. The only thing that matters is a company revenue as % of GDP and number of people using your products/services. Tesla and SpaceX are like great poker bluffs. People talk about them, nobody really uses them. Apple, Microsoft, Google, Amazon, Salesforce, Facebook...are like Mohammed Ali KO punches or Michael Jordan's last jump against Utah. Already there for the world to see, commercialized globally and enjoyed by billions. Add them up and you end up with something like 2 trillions in revenue and some 80% reach globally. There's a reason why nobody makes highlights of poker bluffs. A poker bluff can always become something real, but of course you only shake a person hand after it became real, not before.
- maxbond 4y ago
  I was responding specifically to your premise that people's opinions on Musk are shaped by reporting rather than their knowledge of Musk's actions and character. In expressing this, you were dismissing their agency and suggesting they were simply empty vessels into which opinions had been poured. In other words, you were asserting they had no ability to form an opinion.

8jef 4y ago

> People are allowed to have opinions. Yes, they are. And making one's opinion very public makes possible for others to express some opinion of their own about one's opinion. While aiming for a homerun, one has to accept getting hit where it hurts. That's what weak spots are for. Besides, as mentioned, appearances rarely conform to reality. In a deluge of opinions, reality drowns. Some people do value facts over fluff.

maxbond 4y ago
Accusing strangers on the internet of being dupes for expressing their opinion seeks to chill their speech instead of criticizing their ideas. If one believes their criticism is worthy, they shouldn't feel compelled to wrap it in bad faith tactics in order to express it publicly. If they feel that it can't stand on it's own without such tactics, it isn't worth expressing. This tactic is counter to what to suggest. It seeks to attack the other person's qualifications to hold an opinion rather than allow your arguments and theirs to be subjected to equal scrutiny.

ActorNightly 4y ago

Not sure how what I said means "People can't have an opinion". My overall point is that you should base your opinions on reality.

Bubble_Pop_22 4y ago
Reality = Brin might have faults but he's good at hiding them. He also founded a company that billions of people use every day , and not only that...they use all the various different flavors of Google. Also reality = Musk has many faults and he's very bad at hiding them. But that is essentially irrelevant for people who don't have to deal with him, also there isn't a scarcity of hot girls so the animosity towards playboys like him, Leonardo Di Caprio and Dan Bilzerian is out of place. Tough love for Musk fans = approximately 1 million people use the products/services sold by Musk companies...out of a potential audience of about 100/150 millions (those who can afford a luxury sedan). To summarize = I'd shake Brin's hand and pat him on the shoulder for a job well done, won't try to become his friend or anything. Would not do the same for Musk because there is nothing to congratulate him (yet).
- ActorNightly 4y ago
  If you don't see his successes with Space X or Tesla as something worthy of congratulation, then I dunno what to tell you, we live in different realities then.
  - Bubble_Pop_22 4y ago
    This is not politics or entertainment. The only thing that matters is a company revenue as % of GDP and number of people using your products/services. Tesla and SpaceX are like great poker bluffs. People talk about them, nobody really uses them. Apple, Microsoft, Google, Amazon, Salesforce, Facebook...are like Mohammed Ali KO punches or Michael Jordan's last jump against Utah. Already there for the world to see, commercialized globally and enjoyed by billions. Add them up and you end up with something like 2 trillions in revenue and some 80% reach globally. There's a reason why nobody makes highlights of poker bluffs. A poker bluff can always become something real, but of course you only shake a person hand after it became real, not before.
maxbond 4y ago
I was responding specifically to your premise that people's opinions on Musk are shaped by reporting rather than their knowledge of Musk's actions and character. In expressing this, you were dismissing their agency and suggesting they were simply empty vessels into which opinions had been poured. In other words, you were asserting they had no ability to form an opinion.