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Correct, a violent uprising against the government is an "insurrection." It's not a "coup" if it fails.

LAC-Tech 4y ago
They had no organisation, clear goal, or strategy. Real attempted coups - or "uprisings" if you're sympathetic - are much different. They involve much larger and more organised masses of people, police being neutralised (either they support the coup, or asked to stand down, or pro-coup paramilitaries have rendered them a non-issue) and close coordination with the leader they are attempting to install. Aid by a more powerful outside force is also very, very common. So I think attempted coup is a very grandiose term for a bunch of amateurs who were allowed to wander in, posed for photos, stole a podium, and put their feet on a desk. They didn't have the support of police, military, civil service, media, the government, or any foreign government.
- cantSpellSober 4y ago
  I didn't call it an attempted coup. I agree, once they beat enough law enforcement officers with their weapons and smashed their way into the rotunda, there's even a video where one of them says "what now?" and they start smoking weed. Planning wasn't their strong point. But none of the things you listed are required to be a coup. I don't think you understand: > coups - or "uprisings" if you're sympathetic These are not synonymous. Jan 6 was a violent "uprising" whether you're sympathetic or not. The simple fact that they accomplished nothing means it wasn't a coup.
  - LAC-Tech 4y ago
    I'm just pointing out differing terms for the same thing. If a media outlet supports a coup or an attempted coup, they will tend to call it an "uprising", "revolution" or similar. "Coups" are used when the coverage is negative. Likewise, uprisings and revolutions get rid of "regimes", while coups overthrow "democratically elected governments". Exactly how democratic either the aforementioned "regime" or "elected government" actually is doesn't seem to factor into things.
    - cantSpellSober 4y ago
      > I'm just pointing out differing terms for the same thing You don't understand that they aren't the same thing. Jan 6 was a violent uprising, an insurrection, no matter who you support. It was not a coup (mostly because it achieved nothing).
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They had no organisation, clear goal, or strategy. Real attempted coups - or "uprisings" if you're sympathetic - are much different. They involve much larger and more organised masses of people, police being neutralised (either they support the coup, or asked to stand down, or pro-coup paramilitaries have rendered them a non-issue) and close coordination with the leader they are attempting to install. Aid by a more powerful outside force is also very, very common. So I think attempted coup is a very grandiose term for a bunch of amateurs who were allowed to wander in, posed for photos, stole a podium, and put their feet on a desk. They didn't have the support of police, military, civil service, media, the government, or any foreign government.

cantSpellSober 4y ago
I didn't call it an attempted coup. I agree, once they beat enough law enforcement officers with their weapons and smashed their way into the rotunda, there's even a video where one of them says "what now?" and they start smoking weed. Planning wasn't their strong point. But none of the things you listed are required to be a coup. I don't think you understand: > coups - or "uprisings" if you're sympathetic These are not synonymous. Jan 6 was a violent "uprising" whether you're sympathetic or not. The simple fact that they accomplished nothing means it wasn't a coup.
- LAC-Tech 4y ago
  I'm just pointing out differing terms for the same thing. If a media outlet supports a coup or an attempted coup, they will tend to call it an "uprising", "revolution" or similar. "Coups" are used when the coverage is negative. Likewise, uprisings and revolutions get rid of "regimes", while coups overthrow "democratically elected governments". Exactly how democratic either the aforementioned "regime" or "elected government" actually is doesn't seem to factor into things.
  - cantSpellSober 4y ago
    > I'm just pointing out differing terms for the same thing You don't understand that they aren't the same thing. Jan 6 was a violent uprising, an insurrection, no matter who you support. It was not a coup (mostly because it achieved nothing).
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