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I'll take the two questions in reverse order. Russia has invaded Ukraine in order to protect Russian interests. You could pick 100 Russian politicians at random

I'll take the two questions in reverse order. Russia has invaded Ukraine in order to protect Russian interests. You could pick 100 Russian politicians at random, and every one of them would do as Putin is doing, if they were put in his position. The lives of the people of Russia are threatened by NATO armaments in Ukraine. Then-ambassador-to-Russia and current CIA director Burns said as much in 2008. [0] It's even more true since USA orchestrated the removal of the elected leader of Ukraine in 2014. [1] It's more true yet since USA has supported the Nazi brigades who have killed civilians in Donbas ever since, [2][3] while slowly inserting more and more weapons and "advisors". [4] If Ukraine had sought peace with Russia, as the majority of Ukrainians would have chosen to do (this was Zelensky's primary, if Wilsonian, campaign promise when he won election) [5], this invasion probably would not have happened. So, yes, there are people associated with USA who bear a large portion of blame for the invasion. I'm not sure if I would consider Russia "fascist". Certainly it is no longer communist. If it is fascist for the sake of discussion, we can blame Putin for that. And, indeed, we can certainly blame USA for Putin. We intervened on Yeltsin's behalf when Russia naturally would have gone in a more socialist direction. [6] The inevitable result of that was that his right-hand, Putin, soon took over. [7] I think at one time Putin would have considered a sort of peace with the West, if we had made that more practical than the alternative. Alas, we did not. [0] https://wikileaks.org/plusd/cables/08MOSCOW265_a.html https://wikileaks.org/plusd/cables/08MOSCOW265_a.html [1] https://www.wsws.org/en/topics/event/2014-coup-ukraine https://www.wsws.org/en/topics/event/2014-coup-ukraine [2] https://www.salon.com/2022/03/10/are-there-really-neo-nazis-fighting-for-ukraine-well-yes--but-its-a-long-story/ https://www.salon.com/2022/03/10/are-there-really-neo-nazis-... [3] https://press.un.org/en/2018/sc13560.doc.htm https://press.un.org/en/2018/sc13560.doc.htm [4] https://www.businessinsider.com/ukraine-could-soon-be-using-us-provided-unconventional-warfare-skills-2022-3 https://www.businessinsider.com/ukraine-could-soon-be-using-... [5] https://thegrayzone.com/2022/04/28/zelensky-celebrity-populist-pinochet-neoliberal/ https://thegrayzone.com/2022/04/28/zelensky-celebrity-populi... [6] https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2018/07/the-us-has-a-long-history-of-election-meddling/565538/ https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2018/07/the-us-has... [7] https://www.rferl.org/a/putin-s-a-solid-man-declassified-memos-offer-window-into-yeltsin-clinton-relationship/29462317.html https://www.rferl.org/a/putin-s-a-solid-man-declassified-mem...

_kbh_ 4y ago
> Russia has invaded Ukraine in order to protect Russian interests. Russia has literally stated that they don’t consider Ukraine a real country they invaded to try and take over the country. I guess given Russias history you could count that as “protecting Russias interests”. > The lives of the people of Russia are threatened by NATO armaments in Ukraine. The only thing NATO armaments in Ukraine threatened is Russias ability to invade Ukraine. But once again I can see why given their history Russia might see a country being protected by others that they wish to subjugate and invade as a threat to themselves. > It's more true yet since USA has supported the Nazi brigades who have killed civilians in Donbas ever since, Your links literally don’t say this they mention the Azov and children dying separately. > If Ukraine had sought peace with Russia, as the majority of Ukrainians would have chosen to do (this was Zelensky's primary, if Wilsonian, campaign promise when he won election) [5], this invasion probably would not have happened. So, yes, there are people associated with USA who bear a large portion of blame for the invasion. Ukraine already had a promise from Russia to not invade or threaten its borders when it gave up its nuclear weapons. Look how much good that did, Russia doesn’t understand peace agreements only weapons. Any “peace agreement” with Russia just means they’ll invade on the future when they aren’t happy. Let’s be clear, the only people to blame for this war are Russia, they decided to invade and they can leave at any point. And if you want to talk about Nazis maybe you should think about which side is raping civilians, performing mass executions of civilians and running “filtration camps”. The Russians are literally committing genocide in Ukraine, there’s only one side that’s the fascists here and that’s Russia.

_kbh_ 4y ago

> Russia has invaded Ukraine in order to protect Russian interests. Russia has literally stated that they don’t consider Ukraine a real country they invaded to try and take over the country. I guess given Russias history you could count that as “protecting Russias interests”. > The lives of the people of Russia are threatened by NATO armaments in Ukraine. The only thing NATO armaments in Ukraine threatened is Russias ability to invade Ukraine. But once again I can see why given their history Russia might see a country being protected by others that they wish to subjugate and invade as a threat to themselves. > It's more true yet since USA has supported the Nazi brigades who have killed civilians in Donbas ever since, Your links literally don’t say this they mention the Azov and children dying separately. > If Ukraine had sought peace with Russia, as the majority of Ukrainians would have chosen to do (this was Zelensky's primary, if Wilsonian, campaign promise when he won election) [5], this invasion probably would not have happened. So, yes, there are people associated with USA who bear a large portion of blame for the invasion. Ukraine already had a promise from Russia to not invade or threaten its borders when it gave up its nuclear weapons. Look how much good that did, Russia doesn’t understand peace agreements only weapons. Any “peace agreement” with Russia just means they’ll invade on the future when they aren’t happy. Let’s be clear, the only people to blame for this war are Russia, they decided to invade and they can leave at any point. And if you want to talk about Nazis maybe you should think about which side is raping civilians, performing mass executions of civilians and running “filtration camps”. The Russians are literally committing genocide in Ukraine, there’s only one side that’s the fascists here and that’s Russia.