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BLM Summer of Love in 2020 MAGA coup on Jan 6 Do you really need to use such insanely partisan terminology? It's so blatant I can't tell if it was made tongue

BLM Summer of Love in 2020 MAGA coup on Jan 6 Do you really need to use such insanely partisan terminology? It's so blatant I can't tell if it was made tongue-in-cheek or not.

cantSpellSober 4y ago
Correct, a violent uprising against the government is an "insurrection." It's not a "coup" if it fails.
- LAC-Tech 4y ago
  They had no organisation, clear goal, or strategy. Real attempted coups - or "uprisings" if you're sympathetic - are much different. They involve much larger and more organised masses of people, police being neutralised (either they support the coup, or asked to stand down, or pro-coup paramilitaries have rendered them a non-issue) and close coordination with the leader they are attempting to install. Aid by a more powerful outside force is also very, very common. So I think attempted coup is a very grandiose term for a bunch of amateurs who were allowed to wander in, posed for photos, stole a podium, and put their feet on a desk. They didn't have the support of police, military, civil service, media, the government, or any foreign government.
  - cantSpellSober 4y ago
    I didn't call it an attempted coup. I agree, once they beat enough law enforcement officers with their weapons and smashed their way into the rotunda, there's even a video where one of them says "what now?" and they start smoking weed. Planning wasn't their strong point. But none of the things you listed are required to be a coup. I don't think you understand: > coups - or "uprisings" if you're sympathetic These are not synonymous. Jan 6 was a violent "uprising" whether you're sympathetic or not. The simple fact that they accomplished nothing means it wasn't a coup.
    - LAC-Tech 4y ago
      I'm just pointing out differing terms for the same thing. If a media outlet supports a coup or an attempted coup, they will tend to call it an "uprising", "revolution" or similar. "Coups" are used when the coverage is negative. Likewise, uprisings and revolutions get rid of "regimes", while coups overthrow "democratically elected governments". Exactly how democratic either the aforementioned "regime" or "elected government" actually is doesn't seem to factor into things.
      - cantSpellSober 4y ago
        > I'm just pointing out differing terms for the same thing You don't understand that they aren't the same thing. Jan 6 was a violent uprising, an insurrection, no matter who you support. It was not a coup (mostly because it achieved nothing).
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andrewflnr 4y ago
It strikes me more as cynical than partisan, FWIW.
pclmulqdq 4y ago
Yes. Both groups deserve mockery for their insane behavior. If you didn't know, the "Summer of Love" is a mocking name for the BLM riots because of the incredible amount of violence at those protests. The MAGA coup is a tongue-in-cheek way to refer to the idiots running through the capital thinking they could stop an election.
- probbbly 4y ago
  > the idiots running through the capital [sic] The incredible amount of violence on Jan 6 wasn't "insane?"
  - pclmulqdq 4y ago
    As far as I know, only MAGA morons were killed in the protests, and largely got what they deserved. There was some fake news about a police officer getting killed with a fire extinguisher, but it turned out that it was a death from natural causes and there was no fire extinguisher attack at all. Most of the people arrested for entering the capital had been waved in by police holding the doors open, and the ones who didn't plead guilty are largely getting acquitted of trespassing charges. As far as I know, almost nobody arrested for Jan 6 had an assault or battery charge, despite how zealous the prosecution of those people has been.
    - LAC-Tech 4y ago
      You deserve to get killed for protesting. Edgy stuff.
- seadan83 4y ago
  BLM did not riot in seattle. First hand can attest to that. There were hooligans who did on the first night, after the BLM protest. They were put down violently by the police, who continued to be violent against peaceful protestors n the following days until the east precinct was vacated. The police leaving restored peace. A few days later the chop finally became dangerous at night. Still, the SPD were actively antagonists, protestors lost eyes, many other injuries from spd were reported and over 100 incidents of reported and confirmed police brutality in just a few days. The fact it was peaceful as soon as the police left the east precinct says it all

BLM Summer of Love in 2020 MAGA coup on Jan 6 Do you really need to use such insanely partisan terminology? It's so blatant I can't tell if it was made tongue-in-cheek or not.

cantSpellSober 4y ago

Correct, a violent uprising against the government is an "insurrection." It's not a "coup" if it fails.

LAC-Tech 4y ago
They had no organisation, clear goal, or strategy. Real attempted coups - or "uprisings" if you're sympathetic - are much different. They involve much larger and more organised masses of people, police being neutralised (either they support the coup, or asked to stand down, or pro-coup paramilitaries have rendered them a non-issue) and close coordination with the leader they are attempting to install. Aid by a more powerful outside force is also very, very common. So I think attempted coup is a very grandiose term for a bunch of amateurs who were allowed to wander in, posed for photos, stole a podium, and put their feet on a desk. They didn't have the support of police, military, civil service, media, the government, or any foreign government.
- cantSpellSober 4y ago
  I didn't call it an attempted coup. I agree, once they beat enough law enforcement officers with their weapons and smashed their way into the rotunda, there's even a video where one of them says "what now?" and they start smoking weed. Planning wasn't their strong point. But none of the things you listed are required to be a coup. I don't think you understand: > coups - or "uprisings" if you're sympathetic These are not synonymous. Jan 6 was a violent "uprising" whether you're sympathetic or not. The simple fact that they accomplished nothing means it wasn't a coup.
  - LAC-Tech 4y ago
    I'm just pointing out differing terms for the same thing. If a media outlet supports a coup or an attempted coup, they will tend to call it an "uprising", "revolution" or similar. "Coups" are used when the coverage is negative. Likewise, uprisings and revolutions get rid of "regimes", while coups overthrow "democratically elected governments". Exactly how democratic either the aforementioned "regime" or "elected government" actually is doesn't seem to factor into things.
    - cantSpellSober 4y ago
      > I'm just pointing out differing terms for the same thing You don't understand that they aren't the same thing. Jan 6 was a violent uprising, an insurrection, no matter who you support. It was not a coup (mostly because it achieved nothing).
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andrewflnr 4y ago

It strikes me more as cynical than partisan, FWIW.

pclmulqdq 4y ago

Yes. Both groups deserve mockery for their insane behavior. If you didn't know, the "Summer of Love" is a mocking name for the BLM riots because of the incredible amount of violence at those protests. The MAGA coup is a tongue-in-cheek way to refer to the idiots running through the capital thinking they could stop an election.

probbbly 4y ago
> the idiots running through the capital [sic] The incredible amount of violence on Jan 6 wasn't "insane?"
- pclmulqdq 4y ago
  As far as I know, only MAGA morons were killed in the protests, and largely got what they deserved. There was some fake news about a police officer getting killed with a fire extinguisher, but it turned out that it was a death from natural causes and there was no fire extinguisher attack at all. Most of the people arrested for entering the capital had been waved in by police holding the doors open, and the ones who didn't plead guilty are largely getting acquitted of trespassing charges. As far as I know, almost nobody arrested for Jan 6 had an assault or battery charge, despite how zealous the prosecution of those people has been.
  - LAC-Tech 4y ago
    You deserve to get killed for protesting. Edgy stuff.
seadan83 4y ago
BLM did not riot in seattle. First hand can attest to that. There were hooligans who did on the first night, after the BLM protest. They were put down violently by the police, who continued to be violent against peaceful protestors n the following days until the east precinct was vacated. The police leaving restored peace. A few days later the chop finally became dangerous at night. Still, the SPD were actively antagonists, protestors lost eyes, many other injuries from spd were reported and over 100 incidents of reported and confirmed police brutality in just a few days. The fact it was peaceful as soon as the police left the east precinct says it all