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Seeing a lot of mixed feelings about the AWS UI here. Just my two cents: a good project shouldn't need it for anything much beyond fiddling during development a

by dmw_ng 4y ago

Seeing a lot of mixed feelings about the AWS UI here. Just my two cents: a good project shouldn't need it for anything much beyond fiddling during development and poking around during problem solving. In the latter case, I deeply appreciate the minimalism compared to something like GCloud. You can pump the refresh button on many AWS consoles and they refresh in a second or two. Progress spinner cancer while present is minimal compared to many popular platforms, and in particular relatively nonexistent compared to the white elephant that is GCloud Given the choice between a half-developed AWS console basically emitting some raw XML in a <pre> tag, and the overengineered overdesigned monstrosity of GCloud, I'd always prefer the fast hacky option especially while trying to figure out why something is broken. While the GCE panels look visually fantastic, there are so many cases that make it obvious actual engineering workflows weren't considered during the design process. Be it missing buttons from the context-sensitive toolbars, pointless sidebars, or screens you can't refresh except by hitting F5 before leaving for lunch. I've yet to see any part of GCE that could be described as "snappy". Plenty of AWS bits come much closer to that (although I notice AWS has started slipping down the GCE road to hell in a couple of their newer service UIs) AWS is far from perfect, I can't stand CloudWatch, but relatively speaking it is perfection compared to stackdriver tldr I'm glad it's ugly, it means they were focusing on the important stuff

ransom1538 4y ago
Dear. God. GCloud/GCP. What a total mess. I work on the ui console all day. It hangs, errors out, its slow, it breaks. Every new hire complains, they assume it is their browser or internet connection - it isn't it is just horrible. I want to list the servers - TOO BAD, hundreds of thousands of lines of javascript run to display a list of servers. Let's load up javascript hipster transitions instead. https://i.imgur.com/8ZhYRwS.png https://i.imgur.com/8ZhYRwS.png Search? Don't even bother you need to use the command line and grep it. The product wasn't built to have 1k vms, so I large customer - suffer [which doesn't make sense as a business]. When I go on AWS i am just amazed at the speed. GCP doesn't reach out or care, they ask "SEND us a network diagram" - then ghost you. GCP: no perks, no help, no cool tshirts, no 'how is it going?', no anything except 24 year old 'representatives' who cannot put clear sentences together. Let's have interns run multimillion dollar accounts. I used to hang out at AWS loft - those people helped right there on the spot - would jump in call their network guy to debug something. They just gave a shit. GCP will sunset eventually that must be their strategy. IMHO, google doesn't use GCP. Amazon does use AWS. They care- if it sucks, they are using something that sucks. GCP couldnt' care less if something doesn't work after all they don't use it. And the amount GCP is behind is unreal. Need a database reader loadbalanced endpoint? Make it yourself. Cloudrun has network issues?, no one else complained, ghosted. What about your career? You think your next employer will use GCP: nope.
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- cameronh90 4y ago
  Google arranged a meeting with me to discuss migrating to GCP from AWS. I wasn't especially interested, but I decided to humour them anyway as some of our AI workloads may be better suited to GCP. At the arranged meeting time, none of the three people on their side showed up. No emails, no follow up. I've had similar experiences every single time I've tried to work with Google.
stormbrew 4y ago
To me the benchmark is digital ocean. Obviously it's not anywhere near as powerful, and maybe it shouldn't be anyways, you can use the API to do anything extra. But I almost never find myself lost using DO in the ways that I do with AWS.
intelVISA 4y ago
Yeah for real, AWS may be deeply flawed but by God five minutes using the GCP flight control NASA computer UX and I was about ready to hit Mars.
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dmitriid 4y ago
> While the GCE panels look visually fantastic, there are so many cases that make it obvious actual engineering workflows weren't considered during the design process. I truly believe that no one at Google uses Google Cloud Console. Otherwise they wouldn't even end up with things like labels with unselectable text: https://twitter.com/dmitriid/status/1513572047909183499 https://twitter.com/dmitriid/status/1513572047909183499 Because, and I kid you not, it "has a clean, modern experience for a clean, modern cloud" https://twitter.com/rseroter/status/1349781777875836928 https://twitter.com/rseroter/status/1349781777875836928

by dmw_ng 4y ago

ransom1538 4y ago

Dear. God. GCloud/GCP. What a total mess. I work on the ui console all day. It hangs, errors out, its slow, it breaks. Every new hire complains, they assume it is their browser or internet connection - it isn't it is just horrible. I want to list the servers - TOO BAD, hundreds of thousands of lines of javascript run to display a list of servers. Let's load up javascript hipster transitions instead. https://i.imgur.com/8ZhYRwS.png https://i.imgur.com/8ZhYRwS.png Search? Don't even bother you need to use the command line and grep it. The product wasn't built to have 1k vms, so I large customer - suffer [which doesn't make sense as a business]. When I go on AWS i am just amazed at the speed. GCP doesn't reach out or care, they ask "SEND us a network diagram" - then ghost you. GCP: no perks, no help, no cool tshirts, no 'how is it going?', no anything except 24 year old 'representatives' who cannot put clear sentences together. Let's have interns run multimillion dollar accounts. I used to hang out at AWS loft - those people helped right there on the spot - would jump in call their network guy to debug something. They just gave a shit. GCP will sunset eventually that must be their strategy. IMHO, google doesn't use GCP. Amazon does use AWS. They care- if it sucks, they are using something that sucks. GCP couldnt' care less if something doesn't work after all they don't use it. And the amount GCP is behind is unreal. Need a database reader loadbalanced endpoint? Make it yourself. Cloudrun has network issues?, no one else complained, ghosted. What about your career? You think your next employer will use GCP: nope.

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cameronh90 4y ago
Google arranged a meeting with me to discuss migrating to GCP from AWS. I wasn't especially interested, but I decided to humour them anyway as some of our AI workloads may be better suited to GCP. At the arranged meeting time, none of the three people on their side showed up. No emails, no follow up. I've had similar experiences every single time I've tried to work with Google.

stormbrew 4y ago

To me the benchmark is digital ocean. Obviously it's not anywhere near as powerful, and maybe it shouldn't be anyways, you can use the API to do anything extra. But I almost never find myself lost using DO in the ways that I do with AWS.

intelVISA 4y ago

Yeah for real, AWS may be deeply flawed but by God five minutes using the GCP flight control NASA computer UX and I was about ready to hit Mars.

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dmitriid 4y ago

> While the GCE panels look visually fantastic, there are so many cases that make it obvious actual engineering workflows weren't considered during the design process. I truly believe that no one at Google uses Google Cloud Console. Otherwise they wouldn't even end up with things like labels with unselectable text: https://twitter.com/dmitriid/status/1513572047909183499 https://twitter.com/dmitriid/status/1513572047909183499 Because, and I kid you not, it "has a clean, modern experience for a clean, modern cloud" https://twitter.com/rseroter/status/1349781777875836928 https://twitter.com/rseroter/status/1349781777875836928