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> Overturning it will mean that the Legislature and Governor make the laws, not the agencies. In a country where Congress has been deadlocked for decades and a

> Overturning it will mean that the Legislature and Governor make the laws, not the agencies. In a country where Congress has been deadlocked for decades and a large number of states are racing to push the absolute limits of what they can take in corporate bribes and push moral crusades that'll be forgotten 5 years from now but have lifelong consequences, that's going to be an absolute disaster and it's mindblowing that it's being cheered on. Some states might be better off. A few are trying to shoot their heads off and force others to do it with them.

UIUC_06 4y ago
> In a country where Congress has been deadlocked for decades So your answer to the problem of a government you don't like is: invent another one? A better answer is just to write laws more carefully, broad enough to cover unforeseen circumstances, yet not so broad that they can be stretched to mean absolutely anything. That IS challenging. On the other hand, there are a lot of lawyers working for our Congresspeople, so they should be up to the challenge.
- colinmhayes 4y ago
  Your better answer isn't possible. Not only is passing laws basically impossible at this point, but giving bureaucratic institutions authority to solve unforeseen problems is a good thing. It just isn't possible for lawmakers to conceive of every loophole and edge case. It's too slow to pass a new law every time one comes up, if it's even possible at all.
  - UIUC_06 4y ago
    You are throwing up a false and dishonest choice: it's not "conceive of every loophole and edge case" vs. "let bureaucrats do whatever they want."
    - grapeskin 4y ago
      Bureaucrats picked by the executive branch, elected every 4 years. If anything Americans have a better chance of getting things they want by picking a president who will implement their policies than they will hoping the legislative branch gets around to doing anything ever.
      - UIUC_06 4y ago
        Actually, no. Only the top layer of bureaucracies can change every 4 years. The vast majority of them are civil servants, who basically can't be fired.
        dragonwriter 4y ago
        > Only the top layer of bureaucracies can change every 4 years It's the top several layers, actually, and those are the levels where all substantive policy decisions are made. > The vast majority of them are civil servants, who basically can't be fired. This is a myth. Civil servants absolutely can be fired, for cause, including things like poor performance as well as misconduct, and about 10,000 federal civil servants are fired each year.

UIUC_06 4y ago

> In a country where Congress has been deadlocked for decades So your answer to the problem of a government you don't like is: invent another one? A better answer is just to write laws more carefully, broad enough to cover unforeseen circumstances, yet not so broad that they can be stretched to mean absolutely anything. That IS challenging. On the other hand, there are a lot of lawyers working for our Congresspeople, so they should be up to the challenge.

colinmhayes 4y ago
Your better answer isn't possible. Not only is passing laws basically impossible at this point, but giving bureaucratic institutions authority to solve unforeseen problems is a good thing. It just isn't possible for lawmakers to conceive of every loophole and edge case. It's too slow to pass a new law every time one comes up, if it's even possible at all.
- UIUC_06 4y ago
  You are throwing up a false and dishonest choice: it's not "conceive of every loophole and edge case" vs. "let bureaucrats do whatever they want."
  - grapeskin 4y ago
    Bureaucrats picked by the executive branch, elected every 4 years. If anything Americans have a better chance of getting things they want by picking a president who will implement their policies than they will hoping the legislative branch gets around to doing anything ever.
    - UIUC_06 4y ago
      Actually, no. Only the top layer of bureaucracies can change every 4 years. The vast majority of them are civil servants, who basically can't be fired.
      - dragonwriter 4y ago
        > Only the top layer of bureaucracies can change every 4 years It's the top several layers, actually, and those are the levels where all substantive policy decisions are made. > The vast majority of them are civil servants, who basically can't be fired. This is a myth. Civil servants absolutely can be fired, for cause, including things like poor performance as well as misconduct, and about 10,000 federal civil servants are fired each year.