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I don't think that's true. Vaccination is still beneficial to infection. Selection pressure exists, but they will exist whether or not the immune pressure come

I don't think that's true. Vaccination is still beneficial to infection. Selection pressure exists, but they will exist whether or not the immune pressure comes from vaccination or infection, so it's preferable to protect first.

logifail 4y ago
> I don't think that's true. Vaccination is still beneficial to infection. The virus changed, thanks to Omicron not even the WHO agrees with that claim. "Vaccine-induced immunity following a primary vaccine series is modest against infection due to Omicron in the months after vaccination, and wanes significantly over time. Vaccine-induced immunity against Omicron-related mild symptomatic disease, asymptomatic infection, and viral shedding is also modest and short-lived even following a booster dose." https://www.who.int/news/item/01-06-2022-interim-statement-on-hybrid-immunity-and-increasing-population-seroprevalence-rates https://www.who.int/news/item/01-06-2022-interim-statement-o...
- kenjackson 4y ago
  But from the same report: “ Currently available data from emergency-use listed COVID-19 vaccines show that vaccines provide higher levels of protection than SARS-CoV-2 infection against severe disease outcomes, with modest waning in the 6 months following completion of primary vaccine series. Further, they continue to protect against severe disease, hospitalizations and death due to Omicron, albeit to a lesser degree compared with other VOC.”
  - logifail 4y ago
    > But from the same report: “ Currently available data from emergency-use listed COVID-19 vaccines show that vaccines provide higher levels of protection than SARS-CoV-2 infection against severe disease outcomes [Now that we have them] the vaccines are indeed effective at protecting against severe outcomes. Even before the vaccines, and against this particular virus, being young and healthy is and always was also exceptionally effective: "People of different ages have been exposed to dramatically differing risks. Fatalities among school-children have been remarkably low. Taking women aged 30–34 as an example, around 1 in 70,000 died from Covid over the 9 peak weeks of the epidemic. Since over 80% of these had pre-existing medical conditions, we estimate that a healthy women in this age-group had less than a 1 in 350,000 risk of dying from Covid, around 1/4 of the normal risk of an accidental death over this period"[0] (from May 2020): "Coronavirus risk for young is 'staggeringly low', says UK's top statistician [..] “If we look at under 25s, there're 17 million of them in the country where we have 26 deaths recorded,” he said, suggesting a similar risk would be seen in “a couple of days” in general accidents and sudden deaths. However, he said the risk for the over 90s was 10,000 times as high, with more than one per cent of over 90s having died from Covid-19."[1] [0] https://medium.com/wintoncentre/what-have-been-the-fatal-risks-of-covid-particularly-to-children-and-younger-adults-a5cbf7060c49 https://medium.com/wintoncentre/what-have-been-the-fatal-ris... [1] https://archive.ph/WYas8 https://archive.ph/WYas8 ( https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/05/10/coronavirus-risk-young-staggeringly-low-says-uks-top-statistician/ https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/05/10/coronavirus-risk... )

logifail 4y ago

> I don't think that's true. Vaccination is still beneficial to infection. The virus changed, thanks to Omicron not even the WHO agrees with that claim. "Vaccine-induced immunity following a primary vaccine series is modest against infection due to Omicron in the months after vaccination, and wanes significantly over time. Vaccine-induced immunity against Omicron-related mild symptomatic disease, asymptomatic infection, and viral shedding is also modest and short-lived even following a booster dose." https://www.who.int/news/item/01-06-2022-interim-statement-on-hybrid-immunity-and-increasing-population-seroprevalence-rates https://www.who.int/news/item/01-06-2022-interim-statement-o...

kenjackson 4y ago
But from the same report: “ Currently available data from emergency-use listed COVID-19 vaccines show that vaccines provide higher levels of protection than SARS-CoV-2 infection against severe disease outcomes, with modest waning in the 6 months following completion of primary vaccine series. Further, they continue to protect against severe disease, hospitalizations and death due to Omicron, albeit to a lesser degree compared with other VOC.”
- logifail 4y ago
  > But from the same report: “ Currently available data from emergency-use listed COVID-19 vaccines show that vaccines provide higher levels of protection than SARS-CoV-2 infection against severe disease outcomes [Now that we have them] the vaccines are indeed effective at protecting against severe outcomes. Even before the vaccines, and against this particular virus, being young and healthy is and always was also exceptionally effective: "People of different ages have been exposed to dramatically differing risks. Fatalities among school-children have been remarkably low. Taking women aged 30–34 as an example, around 1 in 70,000 died from Covid over the 9 peak weeks of the epidemic. Since over 80% of these had pre-existing medical conditions, we estimate that a healthy women in this age-group had less than a 1 in 350,000 risk of dying from Covid, around 1/4 of the normal risk of an accidental death over this period"[0] (from May 2020): "Coronavirus risk for young is 'staggeringly low', says UK's top statistician [..] “If we look at under 25s, there're 17 million of them in the country where we have 26 deaths recorded,” he said, suggesting a similar risk would be seen in “a couple of days” in general accidents and sudden deaths. However, he said the risk for the over 90s was 10,000 times as high, with more than one per cent of over 90s having died from Covid-19."[1] [0] https://medium.com/wintoncentre/what-have-been-the-fatal-risks-of-covid-particularly-to-children-and-younger-adults-a5cbf7060c49 https://medium.com/wintoncentre/what-have-been-the-fatal-ris... [1] https://archive.ph/WYas8 https://archive.ph/WYas8 ( https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/05/10/coronavirus-risk-young-staggeringly-low-says-uks-top-statistician/ https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/05/10/coronavirus-risk... )