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> Ketchup really just means a fruit based sauce That's not true. Ketchup is believed to have come "ultimately from Chinese via Malay kicap, from Min Nan 膎汁 (kê

by IncRnd 4y ago

> Ketchup really just means a fruit based sauce That's not true. Ketchup is believed to have come "ultimately from Chinese via Malay kicap, from Min Nan 膎汁 (kê-chiap, “fish broth”), though precise path is unclear – there are related words in various Chinese dialects, and it may have entered English directly from Chinese. Cognate to Indonesian kecap, ketjap (“soy sauce”). Various other theories exist – see Ketchup: Etymology for extended discussion." [1] This etymology places the origin of ketchup closer to "fish sauce", pickled cabbage with meat, or conceptually even yogurt or bread! > so it long preceded the arrival of the tomato. Yes, but it has nothing to do with fruits, unless you are fermenting them to get rid of bad-bacteria and maybe increase shelf-life. [1] https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/ketchup https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/ketchup

technothrasher 4y ago
After reading the further Wikipedia entry on the etymology of the term, it feels like it should be stressed more strongly that the etymology you quoted is not necessarily the strongest contender, but just one of a few that may or may not be correct.
- IncRnd 4y ago
  Would you be specific as to what etymology you mean? I linked the extended discussion above. The Wiktionary page I linked to, as well as many other etymological pages on the web say what I did above. There are many things that could be true, but they do not all have the same likelihood. Even NPR [1] and the history channel [2] have pages on the etymology of ketchup. [1] https://www.npr.org/sections/codeswitch/2013/12/02/248195661/ketchup-the-all-american-condiment-that-comes-from-asia https://www.npr.org/sections/codeswitch/2013/12/02/248195661... [2] https://www.history.com/news/ketchup-surprising-ancient-history https://www.history.com/news/ketchup-surprising-ancient-hist...
  - squeaky-clean 4y ago
    The wiktionary link earlier says to visit this for an extended discussion which provides a few more possible origins. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ketchup#Etymology https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ketchup#Etymology
    - IncRnd 4y ago
      Yes. That wiktionary link and text was posted by me in my comment. My question was to name specifically which etymology on a secondary page is more likely than the one listed at the main entry and on almost all etymology websites? The burden of proof is on the person who wrote, "it feels like it should be stressed more strongly that the etymology you quoted is not necessarily the strongest contender".

by IncRnd 4y ago

technothrasher 4y ago

After reading the further Wikipedia entry on the etymology of the term, it feels like it should be stressed more strongly that the etymology you quoted is not necessarily the strongest contender, but just one of a few that may or may not be correct.

IncRnd 4y ago
Would you be specific as to what etymology you mean? I linked the extended discussion above. The Wiktionary page I linked to, as well as many other etymological pages on the web say what I did above. There are many things that could be true, but they do not all have the same likelihood. Even NPR [1] and the history channel [2] have pages on the etymology of ketchup. [1] https://www.npr.org/sections/codeswitch/2013/12/02/248195661/ketchup-the-all-american-condiment-that-comes-from-asia https://www.npr.org/sections/codeswitch/2013/12/02/248195661... [2] https://www.history.com/news/ketchup-surprising-ancient-history https://www.history.com/news/ketchup-surprising-ancient-hist...
- squeaky-clean 4y ago
  The wiktionary link earlier says to visit this for an extended discussion which provides a few more possible origins. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ketchup#Etymology https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ketchup#Etymology
  - IncRnd 4y ago
    Yes. That wiktionary link and text was posted by me in my comment. My question was to name specifically which etymology on a secondary page is more likely than the one listed at the main entry and on almost all etymology websites? The burden of proof is on the person who wrote, "it feels like it should be stressed more strongly that the etymology you quoted is not necessarily the strongest contender".