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Their methods are particularly draconian, but China has managed it. To my knowledge without the mass starvation or collapse of their medical systems alluded by

Their methods are particularly draconian, but China has managed it. To my knowledge without the mass starvation or collapse of their medical systems alluded by your comment. Probably they couldn't go to Wendy's for a bit though.

pavlov 4y ago
It's been a bit worse than "not going to Wendy's". Starvation is not an exaggerated description of some of the Shanghai lockdown experiences: https://foreignpolicy.com/2022/05/03/shanghai-food-shortages-covid-lockdown-china/ https://foreignpolicy.com/2022/05/03/shanghai-food-shortages...
- HarryHirsch 4y ago
  The major of Shanghai let the outbreak get out of control because of concerns over "the economy". On the other hand, the border across the Amur in Heilongjiang province is porous, there is no shortage of imported cases. Any outbreaks in Heihe across the river from Blagoveshtshensk are brought under control swiftly and without fuss.
  - gruez 4y ago
    >The major of Shanghai let the outbreak get out of control because of concerns over "the economy". What are some examples of lapses of judgement to support the claim that he "let the outbreak get out of control "?
    - HarryHirsch 4y ago
      Here: https://www.ndtv.com/world-news/shanghai-communist-party-chief-li-qiang-his-shanghai-covid-policy-failed-but-he-is-still-xi-jinpings-top-choice-2957908 https://www.ndtv.com/world-news/shanghai-communist-party-chi... Shanghai health officials tried to control the outbreak with testing and neighbourhood-wide lockdowns; in hindsight they should have done the full lockdown earlier.
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tomhoward 4y ago
Yeah, as the sibling comment said, "couldn't go to Wendy’s" is a pretty flippant way to describe what was imposed on Shanghai residents this year. I'm in Melbourne, Australia, which locked down hard to suppress the virus in 2020, then for several more months attempting to suppress it again in 2021. Since everyone had had the chance to be vaccinated by Nov last year, restrictions have been lifted and the virus has been allowed to spread, and almost everyone is much happier living with the virus than continuing to be locked down. What is China going to do? Keep locking everyone down every few months forever? For myself, having a young child at daycare means getting exposed to infections and being sick with something different almost every week, which is of course annoying but it's a part of life. I had covid for the second time last week (must have been BA.5 as it's dominant here), and it was no big deal; I felt a bit off for under 48 hours. It certainly felt like my body knew what to do with it having first encountered an earlier omicron variant in Feb. How is shutting down all of society for weeks/months at a time preferable to that?
- HarryHirsch 4y ago
  - _yoqn 4y ago
    I think I am the conspiracy theorist of this thread but even this seems far fetched...
  - tomhoward 4y ago
    I'm not going to let you get away with pretending that this discussion is about the lab leak theory and some weird conspiracy theory about special knowledge China has, rather than your suggestion that a smug-but-vacuous XKCD cartoon is making an important point.
treeman79 4y ago
https://youtu.be/5LouYOdroKs https://youtu.be/5LouYOdroKs People screaming and begging for food and basic supplies may disagree
ehnto 4y ago
Now what? It's not going away. As soon as they open up, it'll spread again.

pavlov 4y ago

It's been a bit worse than "not going to Wendy's". Starvation is not an exaggerated description of some of the Shanghai lockdown experiences: https://foreignpolicy.com/2022/05/03/shanghai-food-shortages-covid-lockdown-china/ https://foreignpolicy.com/2022/05/03/shanghai-food-shortages...

HarryHirsch 4y ago
The major of Shanghai let the outbreak get out of control because of concerns over "the economy". On the other hand, the border across the Amur in Heilongjiang province is porous, there is no shortage of imported cases. Any outbreaks in Heihe across the river from Blagoveshtshensk are brought under control swiftly and without fuss.
- gruez 4y ago
  >The major of Shanghai let the outbreak get out of control because of concerns over "the economy". What are some examples of lapses of judgement to support the claim that he "let the outbreak get out of control "?
  - HarryHirsch 4y ago
    Here: https://www.ndtv.com/world-news/shanghai-communist-party-chief-li-qiang-his-shanghai-covid-policy-failed-but-he-is-still-xi-jinpings-top-choice-2957908 https://www.ndtv.com/world-news/shanghai-communist-party-chi... Shanghai health officials tried to control the outbreak with testing and neighbourhood-wide lockdowns; in hindsight they should have done the full lockdown earlier.

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tomhoward 4y ago

Yeah, as the sibling comment said, "couldn't go to Wendy’s" is a pretty flippant way to describe what was imposed on Shanghai residents this year. I'm in Melbourne, Australia, which locked down hard to suppress the virus in 2020, then for several more months attempting to suppress it again in 2021. Since everyone had had the chance to be vaccinated by Nov last year, restrictions have been lifted and the virus has been allowed to spread, and almost everyone is much happier living with the virus than continuing to be locked down. What is China going to do? Keep locking everyone down every few months forever? For myself, having a young child at daycare means getting exposed to infections and being sick with something different almost every week, which is of course annoying but it's a part of life. I had covid for the second time last week (must have been BA.5 as it's dominant here), and it was no big deal; I felt a bit off for under 48 hours. It certainly felt like my body knew what to do with it having first encountered an earlier omicron variant in Feb. How is shutting down all of society for weeks/months at a time preferable to that?

HarryHirsch 4y ago
- _yoqn 4y ago
  I think I am the conspiracy theorist of this thread but even this seems far fetched...
- tomhoward 4y ago
  I'm not going to let you get away with pretending that this discussion is about the lab leak theory and some weird conspiracy theory about special knowledge China has, rather than your suggestion that a smug-but-vacuous XKCD cartoon is making an important point.

treeman79 4y ago

https://youtu.be/5LouYOdroKs https://youtu.be/5LouYOdroKs People screaming and begging for food and basic supplies may disagree

ehnto 4y ago

Now what? It's not going away. As soon as they open up, it'll spread again.