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Governance in a monoculture of 17m people is a lot simpler than governing a country like the US. Not saying we can’t do better, but if you dropped the govt of t

Governance in a monoculture of 17m people is a lot simpler than governing a country like the US. Not saying we can’t do better, but if you dropped the govt of the Netherlands here, it would fail rather quickly. It’s a lot easier to have nuance and public support for government programs when everyone shares the same upbringing, culture, and beliefs.

candiodari 4y ago
The Dutch equivalent of DCS/CPS was caught placing at least 1670 children as a way to pressure their parents to pay a wrong tax charge. The number is provisional and it might be 16000 children. NONE of them have been allowed to go home, despite the government, the judicial system and the tax office being convicted, plus the government falling. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dutch_childcare_benefits_scandal https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dutch_childcare_benefits_scand... Before that, there were 3 investigations by parliament into Youth Services in the Netherlands. ALL 3 found the large majority of kids taken into care by the government were physically abused by Youth Services personnel (mostly beatings, sex, some being forced to commit criminal acts, some were denied medical care, ...)
- HideousKojima 4y ago
  And in neighboring Germany their child services program intentionally placed foster children with pedophiles: https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2021/07/26/the-german-experiment-that-placed-foster-children-with-pedophiles/amp https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2021/07/26/the-german-exp...
  - dr_dshiv 4y ago
    Wow, that’s a totally wild article. Thanks for sharing. I don’t think it is the same mindset as in the states, but it shows the challenges of dealing with vulnerable populations, that’s for sure.
- dr_dshiv 4y ago
  Do you have a better source? Nothing in the Wikipedia article mentions children being taken away, only child benefits being taken away. Maybe I missed it.
  - candiodari 4y ago
    Sure. Unfortunately in Dutch: https://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toeslagenaffaire https://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toeslagenaffaire Specifically this section: "Naast de gedupeerde ouders zijn er naar schatting 70.000 kinderen van deze ouders getroffen.[113] Ruim 1.675 kinderen van gedupeerde ouders zijn tussen 2015 en 2021 uit huis geplaatst volgens Centraal Bureau voor de Statistiek (CBS). Het CBS benadrukte dat dit geen causaal verband hoeft te betekenen en doet nog onderzoek naar onder- of oververtegenwoordiging.[114] Volgens emeritus hoogleraar jeugdbescherming Ido Weijers zijn deze kinderen sterk overgepresenteerd in het aantal uit huis geplaatste jongeren.[115]" Plenty of links to articles on the subject.
dr_dshiv 4y ago
You obviously have no idea how diverse the Netherlands is. A monoculture it is not. If the government of the Netherlands was dropped in the states they would go back to the Netherlands because it is nicer there. But the principles of government might have a lot to offer.

candiodari 4y ago

The Dutch equivalent of DCS/CPS was caught placing at least 1670 children as a way to pressure their parents to pay a wrong tax charge. The number is provisional and it might be 16000 children. NONE of them have been allowed to go home, despite the government, the judicial system and the tax office being convicted, plus the government falling. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dutch_childcare_benefits_scandal https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dutch_childcare_benefits_scand... Before that, there were 3 investigations by parliament into Youth Services in the Netherlands. ALL 3 found the large majority of kids taken into care by the government were physically abused by Youth Services personnel (mostly beatings, sex, some being forced to commit criminal acts, some were denied medical care, ...)

HideousKojima 4y ago
And in neighboring Germany their child services program intentionally placed foster children with pedophiles: https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2021/07/26/the-german-experiment-that-placed-foster-children-with-pedophiles/amp https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2021/07/26/the-german-exp...
- dr_dshiv 4y ago
  Wow, that’s a totally wild article. Thanks for sharing. I don’t think it is the same mindset as in the states, but it shows the challenges of dealing with vulnerable populations, that’s for sure.
dr_dshiv 4y ago
Do you have a better source? Nothing in the Wikipedia article mentions children being taken away, only child benefits being taken away. Maybe I missed it.
- candiodari 4y ago
  Sure. Unfortunately in Dutch: https://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toeslagenaffaire https://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toeslagenaffaire Specifically this section: "Naast de gedupeerde ouders zijn er naar schatting 70.000 kinderen van deze ouders getroffen.[113] Ruim 1.675 kinderen van gedupeerde ouders zijn tussen 2015 en 2021 uit huis geplaatst volgens Centraal Bureau voor de Statistiek (CBS). Het CBS benadrukte dat dit geen causaal verband hoeft te betekenen en doet nog onderzoek naar onder- of oververtegenwoordiging.[114] Volgens emeritus hoogleraar jeugdbescherming Ido Weijers zijn deze kinderen sterk overgepresenteerd in het aantal uit huis geplaatste jongeren.[115]" Plenty of links to articles on the subject.

dr_dshiv 4y ago

You obviously have no idea how diverse the Netherlands is. A monoculture it is not. If the government of the Netherlands was dropped in the states they would go back to the Netherlands because it is nicer there. But the principles of government might have a lot to offer.