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Not coding but another anecdote. Was visiting another universities networking lab (switches, routers, computers) for CCNA study. There where was an Indian stu

Not coding but another anecdote. Was visiting another universities networking lab (switches, routers, computers) for CCNA study. There where was an Indian student doing a MASTERS IN IT there. MASTERS. He asked about a firewall issue, where he could not SSH into it. And he said "SSH ONLY WORKS IN LOCAL NETWORKS" so it must be that and not that he confed the fw wrong. MASTERS in IT. Shows the quality of schools/degrees.

stonecharioteer 4y ago
I am an Indian and I don't have a formal CS degree. I studied Mechanical Engineering at a really small college. The biggest eye-opener I've seen is the lack of awareness and interest in almost everyone pursuing technology. Most of my country folk aren't in tech because they programmed an Atari as kids like I did. They're in tech because it's the only thing that pays. The same goes for most of these. It's sad, and it is also a big reason why most companies only see Indian teams as a way to cut costs, also slightly insinuating that you also accept quality cuts because you get devs who don't get the "download more ram" joke. I'm not making excuses for them, it's just the way it is. I spoke at a conference yesterday and very few people I work with even bothered asking what it was about.
sha256sum 4y ago
Probably not relevant that this person was Indian considering the amount of American cybersecurity MS grads you’ll find who don’t know what nmap is.
- mistrial9 4y ago
  I will cast an uninformed "yes" to this as an American. Long ago, I studied philosophy and discovered Vedic influences, along with pop-culture American visions of spiritual India. I was impressed by the thinking and erudition of Vedic (and Buddhist) scholars, and immediately found links to English and German scholarship. All together, I had an early-adult vision of India as a place with high literacy and a long religious and scholarly history. Meanwhile, my urban life in America confirmed daily that there are illiterate people who thrive on being loud, pushy and often fat -- of every national origin. As the years go by, my views have changed. I always knew India was a populated place, but I did not understand that it means there are low-education and low-culture people in such numbers. I have met far more people from India now than I had in the past, and their human stories show me how I had been fortunate to see great writing, thinking and devout practice from India, but that is not the whole story. This is a long intro to basically seeing both India and America as a place with strikingly different people, next to each other, filling the cities. Very high skill, very high education, visiting a store right next to very low skill, very low education people, in great numbers. I respect my colleagues from India and I trust that they can also respect Americans. There is no single story here, and low quality outsourcing did cost me personally as a coder in the USA for decades.
- tmaly 4y ago
  I have often thought that most masters programs skimp on the fundamentals. If the person has a completely different undergrad degree, this tends to show up.

stonecharioteer 4y ago

I am an Indian and I don't have a formal CS degree. I studied Mechanical Engineering at a really small college. The biggest eye-opener I've seen is the lack of awareness and interest in almost everyone pursuing technology. Most of my country folk aren't in tech because they programmed an Atari as kids like I did. They're in tech because it's the only thing that pays. The same goes for most of these. It's sad, and it is also a big reason why most companies only see Indian teams as a way to cut costs, also slightly insinuating that you also accept quality cuts because you get devs who don't get the "download more ram" joke. I'm not making excuses for them, it's just the way it is. I spoke at a conference yesterday and very few people I work with even bothered asking what it was about.

sha256sum 4y ago

Probably not relevant that this person was Indian considering the amount of American cybersecurity MS grads you’ll find who don’t know what nmap is.

mistrial9 4y ago
I will cast an uninformed "yes" to this as an American. Long ago, I studied philosophy and discovered Vedic influences, along with pop-culture American visions of spiritual India. I was impressed by the thinking and erudition of Vedic (and Buddhist) scholars, and immediately found links to English and German scholarship. All together, I had an early-adult vision of India as a place with high literacy and a long religious and scholarly history. Meanwhile, my urban life in America confirmed daily that there are illiterate people who thrive on being loud, pushy and often fat -- of every national origin. As the years go by, my views have changed. I always knew India was a populated place, but I did not understand that it means there are low-education and low-culture people in such numbers. I have met far more people from India now than I had in the past, and their human stories show me how I had been fortunate to see great writing, thinking and devout practice from India, but that is not the whole story. This is a long intro to basically seeing both India and America as a place with strikingly different people, next to each other, filling the cities. Very high skill, very high education, visiting a store right next to very low skill, very low education people, in great numbers. I respect my colleagues from India and I trust that they can also respect Americans. There is no single story here, and low quality outsourcing did cost me personally as a coder in the USA for decades.
tmaly 4y ago
I have often thought that most masters programs skimp on the fundamentals. If the person has a completely different undergrad degree, this tends to show up.