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“What I said was—vaccines and boosters do not prevent you from catching it or getting sick. ” We knew this a year ago. I’m pretty sure from the current studie

“What I said was—vaccines and boosters do not prevent you from catching it or getting sick. ” We knew this a year ago. I’m pretty sure from the current studies that we do know, or at least strongly believe, that the vaccines, etc do reduce hospitalizations and death. That would explain why they are recommended. However, if more data comes in, please update us.

kcplate 4y ago
> We knew this a year ago. Really? July of 2021 both President Biden and Dr. Fauci we’re making the claim on television that the vaccines “prevented” people from catching Covid. If it was known a year ago that this was not true, but they said it anyway…do you believe that makes their case for vaccines today more persuasive? More likely—“Current studies” at that time lead them to “know, or at least strongly believe” that the vaccines did prevent contracting the virus. Either they were lying, or they were wrong. Either one of those reasons is enough for me to apply a fair dose of skepticism and pragmatism to the topic. Perhaps you just have more faith than I do that this time things are different.
- melling 4y ago
  Yep. Now please include a source for Dr. Fauci. This tactic where you tell us what someone said and it turns out to be wrong is getting old. He wasn’t sure in March but according to you he was sure in July “Fauci explains that it is not yet clear how effective the current vaccines are at curbing the spread of the virus from an immunized person to others. In other words, a vaccine will prevent the recipient from getting sick, but that person may still carry the virus and expose those who have not received the vaccine.” https://www.reuters.com/article/factcheck-fauci-vaccineeffectiveness/fact-check-faucis-comments-on-the-effectiveness-of-the-covid-19-vaccines-misconstrued-in-video-idUSL1N2L82Q4 https://www.reuters.com/article/factcheck-fauci-vaccineeffec...
  - kcplate 4y ago
    Not July, but in late May of 2021. (appx 4min in to that interview there is an MSNBC clip from back then. So I am off by about 6 weeks. https://youtu.be/5qp1BWSAQkc https://youtu.be/5qp1BWSAQkc However, July 23rd 2021 Town Hall, Biden conveyed same thing. https://www.cnn.com/2021/07/22/politics/fact-check-biden-cnn-town-hall-july/index.html https://www.cnn.com/2021/07/22/politics/fact-check-biden-cnn... I can find no clips of Fauci “correcting” the president after that clip. Only after it became apparent to everyone that the vaccines were not effective at preventing Covid, did the administration start shifting the narrative to the prevention of disease severity talking point. Fact is, they were wrong, or they were lying to intentionally mislead to encourage vaccination. Either way, what they say now about it now should be examined skeptically.
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  - kcplate 4y ago
    > In other words, a vaccine will prevent the recipient from getting sick, but that person may still carry the virus and expose those who have not received the vaccine I just read this little tidbit. So you posted here that he said in July in essence: “that the vaccine will prevent the recipient from getting sick” (which as we know, quite wrong). Yet, you derided me for saying that he said that very same thing a year ago. Fascinating that you somehow think you are providing evidence on here that we shouldn’t be skeptical of the claims that are being made. You yourself are apparently engaing the same misdirection that the administration did.

kcplate 4y ago

> We knew this a year ago. Really? July of 2021 both President Biden and Dr. Fauci we’re making the claim on television that the vaccines “prevented” people from catching Covid. If it was known a year ago that this was not true, but they said it anyway…do you believe that makes their case for vaccines today more persuasive? More likely—“Current studies” at that time lead them to “know, or at least strongly believe” that the vaccines did prevent contracting the virus. Either they were lying, or they were wrong. Either one of those reasons is enough for me to apply a fair dose of skepticism and pragmatism to the topic. Perhaps you just have more faith than I do that this time things are different.

melling 4y ago
Yep. Now please include a source for Dr. Fauci. This tactic where you tell us what someone said and it turns out to be wrong is getting old. He wasn’t sure in March but according to you he was sure in July “Fauci explains that it is not yet clear how effective the current vaccines are at curbing the spread of the virus from an immunized person to others. In other words, a vaccine will prevent the recipient from getting sick, but that person may still carry the virus and expose those who have not received the vaccine.” https://www.reuters.com/article/factcheck-fauci-vaccineeffectiveness/fact-check-faucis-comments-on-the-effectiveness-of-the-covid-19-vaccines-misconstrued-in-video-idUSL1N2L82Q4 https://www.reuters.com/article/factcheck-fauci-vaccineeffec...
- kcplate 4y ago
  Not July, but in late May of 2021. (appx 4min in to that interview there is an MSNBC clip from back then. So I am off by about 6 weeks. https://youtu.be/5qp1BWSAQkc https://youtu.be/5qp1BWSAQkc However, July 23rd 2021 Town Hall, Biden conveyed same thing. https://www.cnn.com/2021/07/22/politics/fact-check-biden-cnn-town-hall-july/index.html https://www.cnn.com/2021/07/22/politics/fact-check-biden-cnn... I can find no clips of Fauci “correcting” the president after that clip. Only after it became apparent to everyone that the vaccines were not effective at preventing Covid, did the administration start shifting the narrative to the prevention of disease severity talking point. Fact is, they were wrong, or they were lying to intentionally mislead to encourage vaccination. Either way, what they say now about it now should be examined skeptically.
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- kcplate 4y ago
  > In other words, a vaccine will prevent the recipient from getting sick, but that person may still carry the virus and expose those who have not received the vaccine I just read this little tidbit. So you posted here that he said in July in essence: “that the vaccine will prevent the recipient from getting sick” (which as we know, quite wrong). Yet, you derided me for saying that he said that very same thing a year ago. Fascinating that you somehow think you are providing evidence on here that we shouldn’t be skeptical of the claims that are being made. You yourself are apparently engaing the same misdirection that the administration did.