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Just pointing out that in today's world, representative democracy and nuanced thinking are almost mutually exclusive.

by darkerside 4y ago

Tao3300 4y ago
Are you saying that there are places without representative democracy that do have nuanced thought?
- darkerside 4y ago
  No
  - Tao3300 4y ago
    Then you don't know what "mutually exclusive" means.
    - darkerside 4y ago
      Right back atcha buddy
- ALittleLight 4y ago
  Yes. What place lacks nuanced thought? How does democracy promote it?
bryanrasmussen 4y ago
which countries are in today's world? what with the past not even being past and the future here but not evenly distributed, I'm thinking there might be some representative democracies somewhere that do manage nuanced thinking.
- dr_dshiv 4y ago
  The Netherlands! Amazing governance. Very nuanced thinking. It is the most futuristic place I’ve ever lived.
  - happyopossum 4y ago
    Governance in a monoculture of 17m people is a lot simpler than governing a country like the US. Not saying we can’t do better, but if you dropped the govt of the Netherlands here, it would fail rather quickly. It’s a lot easier to have nuance and public support for government programs when everyone shares the same upbringing, culture, and beliefs.
    - candiodari 4y ago
      The Dutch equivalent of DCS/CPS was caught placing at least 1670 children as a way to pressure their parents to pay a wrong tax charge. The number is provisional and it might be 16000 children. NONE of them have been allowed to go home, despite the government, the judicial system and the tax office being convicted, plus the government falling. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dutch_childcare_benefits_scandal https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dutch_childcare_benefits_scand... Before that, there were 3 investigations by parliament into Youth Services in the Netherlands. ALL 3 found the large majority of kids taken into care by the government were physically abused by Youth Services personnel (mostly beatings, sex, some being forced to commit criminal acts, some were denied medical care, ...)
      - HideousKojima 4y ago
        And in neighboring Germany their child services program intentionally placed foster children with pedophiles: https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2021/07/26/the-german-experiment-that-placed-foster-children-with-pedophiles/amp https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2021/07/26/the-german-exp...
        dr_dshiv 4y ago
        Wow, that’s a totally wild article. Thanks for sharing. I don’t think it is the same mindset as in the states, but it shows the challenges of dealing with vulnerable populations, that’s for sure.
      - dr_dshiv 4y ago
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framapotari 4y ago
Are you including countries other than the US in today's world?

Just pointing out that in today's world, representative democracy and nuanced thinking are almost mutually exclusive.

Tao3300 4y ago

Are you saying that there are places without representative democracy that do have nuanced thought?

darkerside 4y ago
No
- Tao3300 4y ago
  Then you don't know what "mutually exclusive" means.
  - darkerside 4y ago
    Right back atcha buddy
ALittleLight 4y ago
Yes. What place lacks nuanced thought? How does democracy promote it?

bryanrasmussen 4y ago

which countries are in today's world? what with the past not even being past and the future here but not evenly distributed, I'm thinking there might be some representative democracies somewhere that do manage nuanced thinking.

dr_dshiv 4y ago
The Netherlands! Amazing governance. Very nuanced thinking. It is the most futuristic place I’ve ever lived.
- happyopossum 4y ago
  Governance in a monoculture of 17m people is a lot simpler than governing a country like the US. Not saying we can’t do better, but if you dropped the govt of the Netherlands here, it would fail rather quickly. It’s a lot easier to have nuance and public support for government programs when everyone shares the same upbringing, culture, and beliefs.
  - candiodari 4y ago
    The Dutch equivalent of DCS/CPS was caught placing at least 1670 children as a way to pressure their parents to pay a wrong tax charge. The number is provisional and it might be 16000 children. NONE of them have been allowed to go home, despite the government, the judicial system and the tax office being convicted, plus the government falling. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dutch_childcare_benefits_scandal https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dutch_childcare_benefits_scand... Before that, there were 3 investigations by parliament into Youth Services in the Netherlands. ALL 3 found the large majority of kids taken into care by the government were physically abused by Youth Services personnel (mostly beatings, sex, some being forced to commit criminal acts, some were denied medical care, ...)
    - HideousKojima 4y ago
      And in neighboring Germany their child services program intentionally placed foster children with pedophiles: https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2021/07/26/the-german-experiment-that-placed-foster-children-with-pedophiles/amp https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2021/07/26/the-german-exp...
      - dr_dshiv 4y ago
        Wow, that’s a totally wild article. Thanks for sharing. I don’t think it is the same mindset as in the states, but it shows the challenges of dealing with vulnerable populations, that’s for sure.
    - dr_dshiv 4y ago

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framapotari 4y ago

Are you including countries other than the US in today's world?