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> housing shortage is exacerbated by NIMBY zoning crap restricted by politics outside of your so-called capitalistic forces. I mean, there is a cultural aspec

> housing shortage is exacerbated by NIMBY zoning crap restricted by politics outside of your so-called capitalistic forces. I mean, there is a cultural aspect to it. I remember a few of my white American friends being shocked at the idea of raising kids in a condo, because « having a house and a yard » is the only way to have kids. Those people, I’m sure, will turn into nimbys in the future because « this housing is not for us ».

jelliclesfarm 4y ago
Disclosure: I am a NIMBY. There is definitely a cultural gap here. Most immigrants value stable housing they can own and like minded community. Diversity occurs between different communities and not expected between every individual we interact with.. Social status is important. This is the Old World. Most immigrants start out as stateless or on uncertain visas with far away homes. The psychological need to own a home where it is your castle is very deep. Immigrants are almost always NIMBYs in America. I have examined the reasons why I am a NIMBY. And I am ok with it. Moving to another country and culture for economic reasons is rewarding on one hand but requires painful sacrifices. I have tried to explain this to Americans and those who didn’t have to leave their home countries and rebuild their identity and lives…some say they understand, but most don’t get it. That’s ok. There is nothing wrong with being YIMBY or NIMBY. Market forces will decide. I have also observed that most self declared YIMBYs become NIMBYs when they sign their first 30 year mortgage. The weight of a mortgage is heavy. Home ownership is not for everyone and it’s not a walk in the park. Those who willingly bear it will hedge their bets and fight for their investment. This is normal.
- ramraj07 4y ago
  The issue with NIMBYism is it often builds structures around itself to insulate from change in the practices (local government incentives). Only top down mandates can break the cycle, but places like the US are not socialist enough to do that. Incidentally all my immigrant friends and relatives who do NIMBY arguments also vote republican and supported Trump. For what it’s worth.
  - jelliclesfarm 4y ago
    Yes. I have considered that. At the end of the day, we elect politicians based on which areas of our daily lives we want to be screwed over..it seems like... There are no winners amongst the voting, tax paying public.
- TheGigaChad 4y ago
- fragmede 4y ago
  The problem is that due to regulatory capture, it won’t be the free market that decides. House building is a highly regulated activity, so the deck is stacked against the YIMBYs. Hence the political fights to change laws to make the system a more fair than it is currently.

jelliclesfarm 4y ago

Disclosure: I am a NIMBY. There is definitely a cultural gap here. Most immigrants value stable housing they can own and like minded community. Diversity occurs between different communities and not expected between every individual we interact with.. Social status is important. This is the Old World. Most immigrants start out as stateless or on uncertain visas with far away homes. The psychological need to own a home where it is your castle is very deep. Immigrants are almost always NIMBYs in America. I have examined the reasons why I am a NIMBY. And I am ok with it. Moving to another country and culture for economic reasons is rewarding on one hand but requires painful sacrifices. I have tried to explain this to Americans and those who didn’t have to leave their home countries and rebuild their identity and lives…some say they understand, but most don’t get it. That’s ok. There is nothing wrong with being YIMBY or NIMBY. Market forces will decide. I have also observed that most self declared YIMBYs become NIMBYs when they sign their first 30 year mortgage. The weight of a mortgage is heavy. Home ownership is not for everyone and it’s not a walk in the park. Those who willingly bear it will hedge their bets and fight for their investment. This is normal.

ramraj07 4y ago
The issue with NIMBYism is it often builds structures around itself to insulate from change in the practices (local government incentives). Only top down mandates can break the cycle, but places like the US are not socialist enough to do that. Incidentally all my immigrant friends and relatives who do NIMBY arguments also vote republican and supported Trump. For what it’s worth.
- jelliclesfarm 4y ago
  Yes. I have considered that. At the end of the day, we elect politicians based on which areas of our daily lives we want to be screwed over..it seems like... There are no winners amongst the voting, tax paying public.
TheGigaChad 4y ago
fragmede 4y ago
The problem is that due to regulatory capture, it won’t be the free market that decides. House building is a highly regulated activity, so the deck is stacked against the YIMBYs. Hence the political fights to change laws to make the system a more fair than it is currently.