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Right, I am fine with the part that hey we think you are overpaid and we want to renegotiate the option awards that have not been granted, but they are walking

by kls 15y ago

Right, I am fine with the part that hey we think you are overpaid and we want to renegotiate the option awards that have not been granted, but they are walking a fine line renegotiation the ones that have already been awarded but have not vested. Many companies will award a certain amount of options and those options come with a vesting schedule so for example I get awarded 4 shares that vest in one year. My contract would say that I get 4 awards of 4 shared over 4 years and those awards vest in 1 year. They are going to run into trouble if they try to claw back the awarded shared because technically I have put in the work for those shares. Now if the contract says all stocks will be awarded in 4 years then yes technically they have not earned them yet, but I would have walked from that contract the moment I saw it.

Androsynth 15y ago
Most contracts state that you lose unvested shares upon termination. It doesn't make sense any other way. However the problem with your math (and most others in this thread) is this: lets say Zynga values me at 4 shares, and I get 1 vested per year. However after two years, and a few splits, I have 128 shares. The company hired me to work as a 4 share employee, then it grew like crazy and I became a 128 share employee. This is normal in tech nowadays, most people take it for granted that you just get lucky and accept your windfall. But the fact is that you are a 4 share employee being paid 3000% of what you were hired at.
- kls 15y ago
  What you are talking about is no dilutional where if they split, you are not diluted and your options do not get diluted, so instead of the 4 you agreed to you get the equivalent after the split. Most contracts are dilutional, where you get 4 regardless of splits, I have never seen a contract (in my dealings) that has been non-dilutional in original form, I have always had to add non-dilutional clauses to my contracts because I have had my ownership eroded through this very mechanism.
- tlrobinson 15y ago
  The employee took a risk accepting equity as part of their compensation, especially at a pre-IPO company. Zynga shouldn't be able to come back, with 20/20 hindsight, and say "turns out we did better than we thought we would so we're taking your stock back". If they failed they certainly wouldn't be giving employees other compensation to make up for their stock being worthless.
- danssig 15y ago
  > However after two years, and a few splits, I have 128 shares. You're not a "4 shares employee" you're a "% of the company employee". The 4 shares are worth some percentage of the company and after all those splits they're still worth that same percentage. Splits usually happen to get the cost of the overalls hares down but a $1m holding in some stock is still worth $1m after the split. >But the fact is that you are a 4 share employee being paid 3000% of what you were hired at. So what! This is the point of accepting stock as compensation. They worked below what they were worth for the hope that they would win the lottery. They did win the lottery and now the company wants a redo.

by kls 15y ago

Androsynth 15y ago

Most contracts state that you lose unvested shares upon termination. It doesn't make sense any other way. However the problem with your math (and most others in this thread) is this: lets say Zynga values me at 4 shares, and I get 1 vested per year. However after two years, and a few splits, I have 128 shares. The company hired me to work as a 4 share employee, then it grew like crazy and I became a 128 share employee. This is normal in tech nowadays, most people take it for granted that you just get lucky and accept your windfall. But the fact is that you are a 4 share employee being paid 3000% of what you were hired at.

kls 15y ago
What you are talking about is no dilutional where if they split, you are not diluted and your options do not get diluted, so instead of the 4 you agreed to you get the equivalent after the split. Most contracts are dilutional, where you get 4 regardless of splits, I have never seen a contract (in my dealings) that has been non-dilutional in original form, I have always had to add non-dilutional clauses to my contracts because I have had my ownership eroded through this very mechanism.
tlrobinson 15y ago
The employee took a risk accepting equity as part of their compensation, especially at a pre-IPO company. Zynga shouldn't be able to come back, with 20/20 hindsight, and say "turns out we did better than we thought we would so we're taking your stock back". If they failed they certainly wouldn't be giving employees other compensation to make up for their stock being worthless.
danssig 15y ago
> However after two years, and a few splits, I have 128 shares. You're not a "4 shares employee" you're a "% of the company employee". The 4 shares are worth some percentage of the company and after all those splits they're still worth that same percentage. Splits usually happen to get the cost of the overalls hares down but a $1m holding in some stock is still worth $1m after the split. >But the fact is that you are a 4 share employee being paid 3000% of what you were hired at. So what! This is the point of accepting stock as compensation. They worked below what they were worth for the hope that they would win the lottery. They did win the lottery and now the company wants a redo.