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I agree. It is a bullshit situation, and you should be mad about it. Employers have a responsibility to maximize the profits of their shareholders/investors.

by ohyes 15y ago

I agree. It is a bullshit situation, and you should be mad about it. Employers have a responsibility to maximize the profits of their shareholders/investors. They are not there to be your friend, take care of you, or compensate you beyond the minimum that they have to. Companies that offer bonuses/'benefits' are doing so as an incentive to retain you. The minute the market indicates that they can pull any of those benefits, they will. MegaCorp does not give a holiday bonus out of the goodness of its heart. It doesn't have a heart, it is an inanimate object. It can not possibly feel a loyalty to you. It may bullshit you by telling you this, but that is really just to embiggen your feelings of loyalty towards it. It has rules and structures, carefully laid out towards its goal... maximizing profits. An optimally designed corporation will fire you the minute that there is a cheaper alternative to your employment. If it were human, it would be a sociopath.

sbov 15y ago
> Employers have a responsibility to maximize the profits of their shareholders/investors. Somewhat shortsighted statement for this topic, considering the people they're harming here are employees who are... shareholders. > If it were human, it would be a sociopath. It may not be human, but they're ran by humans, and legally in many ways Corporations are people. In fact its a meme running in US politics lately. People with a lot of money, and a lot more power than 99.99% of humans. I'm getting sick of reading humans say Corporations, considered people and ran by humans, can do anything in the name of shareholder value, but for some reason, people with less money, power, and connections, have moral values applied to their actions. It's complete bullshit, and if people weren't so brainwashed they couldn't get away with this shit.
- ohyes 15y ago
  > Somewhat shortsighted statement for this topic, considering the people they're harming here are employees who are... shareholders. I think it is pretty clear I was referring to the general case, rather than this particular situation. Anyway, until they vest, they technically aren't shareholders. (And after they've lost their rights to vest, they certainly aren't going to be shareholders). > It may not be human, but they're ran by humans, and legally in many ways Corporations are people. In fact its a meme running in US politics lately. People with a lot of money, and a lot more power than 99.99% of humans. I'm getting sick of reading humans say Corporations, considered people and ran by humans, can do anything in the name of shareholder value, but for some reason, people with less money, power, and connections, have moral values applied to their actions. It's complete bullshit, and if people weren't so brainwashed they couldn't get away with this shit. I agree completely. It is a crock of shit that corporations aren't held to the same basic moral and ethical standards that people are. (In my opinion, they should be held to greater standards, being that they are in practice immortal, and can wield greater sums of wealth than any single human being). As an employee in the current environment, however, you have to keep the reality of how corporations are expected and allowed to behave in mind.
- Tsagadai 15y ago
  Have you ever watched a mob? A corporation is a group of people. Like all groups of people there can be a mix of the full spectrum of humanity in varying percentages. Go to a protest or a concert, witness how groups of people react, especially when they are told to do something that no one wants to do. Corporations are run by people but you should not think that they are somehow different from groups of people and that group psychology somehow doesn't come into play.
- danssig 15y ago
  >It may not be human, but they're ran by humans Wasn't there a report some years back that showed most CEO's were sociopaths?

by ohyes 15y ago

sbov 15y ago

> Employers have a responsibility to maximize the profits of their shareholders/investors. Somewhat shortsighted statement for this topic, considering the people they're harming here are employees who are... shareholders. > If it were human, it would be a sociopath. It may not be human, but they're ran by humans, and legally in many ways Corporations are people. In fact its a meme running in US politics lately. People with a lot of money, and a lot more power than 99.99% of humans. I'm getting sick of reading humans say Corporations, considered people and ran by humans, can do anything in the name of shareholder value, but for some reason, people with less money, power, and connections, have moral values applied to their actions. It's complete bullshit, and if people weren't so brainwashed they couldn't get away with this shit.

ohyes 15y ago
> Somewhat shortsighted statement for this topic, considering the people they're harming here are employees who are... shareholders. I think it is pretty clear I was referring to the general case, rather than this particular situation. Anyway, until they vest, they technically aren't shareholders. (And after they've lost their rights to vest, they certainly aren't going to be shareholders). > It may not be human, but they're ran by humans, and legally in many ways Corporations are people. In fact its a meme running in US politics lately. People with a lot of money, and a lot more power than 99.99% of humans. I'm getting sick of reading humans say Corporations, considered people and ran by humans, can do anything in the name of shareholder value, but for some reason, people with less money, power, and connections, have moral values applied to their actions. It's complete bullshit, and if people weren't so brainwashed they couldn't get away with this shit. I agree completely. It is a crock of shit that corporations aren't held to the same basic moral and ethical standards that people are. (In my opinion, they should be held to greater standards, being that they are in practice immortal, and can wield greater sums of wealth than any single human being). As an employee in the current environment, however, you have to keep the reality of how corporations are expected and allowed to behave in mind.
Tsagadai 15y ago
Have you ever watched a mob? A corporation is a group of people. Like all groups of people there can be a mix of the full spectrum of humanity in varying percentages. Go to a protest or a concert, witness how groups of people react, especially when they are told to do something that no one wants to do. Corporations are run by people but you should not think that they are somehow different from groups of people and that group psychology somehow doesn't come into play.
danssig 15y ago
>It may not be human, but they're ran by humans Wasn't there a report some years back that showed most CEO's were sociopaths?