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Netflix Homes
- jesse_faden 4y agocurrently rolled out to some countries Argentina: https://help.netflix.com/en/node/126602/ar https://help.netflix.com/en/node/126602/ar
- mbStavola 4y agoThere are less and less reasons to renew my membership each month!
- lettergram 4y agoFrankly, once I saw the prices rise $10/month -> $20/month I cancelled. Plus, seeing shows like friends and breaking bad being replaced by big mouth and other Netflix content I find just gross (and not replacing it with content I enjoy). I cancelled. I was enjoying ozarks, and the comedy specials, but not at $180-$240/year and most of the comedy specials have become increasingly less interesting (when they came out at all — thanks lockdowns). I think at lower prices they could honestly cover more niches because people were willing to pay for their interest (maybe 5% of the content). As the price increases more people don’t think that 5% is good enough for the price. And everyone has a different percent of content they like. Imo this makes Netflix much more prone to lose customers when rising prices. This is even more obnoxious because a lot of people who watch Netflix are younger. They travel, they go to school, etc.
- Wolfenstein98k 4y agoGood, this seems reasonable and proportionate.
- throwawayacc2 4y agoCan you elaborate please?
- romanovcode 4y agoAs I said in my own comment: Their goal is to remove non-paying customers from their platform.
- qeternity 4y agoTheir goal is to monetize those users, even a fraction of them. Booting them from the platform doesn’t actually do them any good. They are effectively offering a large discount to account sharers.
- freedom2099 4y agoI never shared my account with anyone… I am the sole users and yet this policy would cost me money and issues! I travel way more than 2 weeks a year (in civilised countries like France I have 8 weeks of vacation a year)… plus I often visit my vacation home… don’t see why they should charge me for that (while I am on my vacation home there is nobody using Netflix at my place… there is always only one stream at a time)! So if they do put it in place where I live that can say goodbye to a very loyal customers (I subscribed 9 years ago)
- throwawayacc2 4y agoI wish I could post the meme with spongebob telling netflix to get in the coffin.
- Nux 4y agoPiracy slowly but surely making its way back on the menu.
- romanovcode 4y agoI think their goal is to remove non-paying customers which is reasonable thing to do from their business perspective. I'm not sure how exactly this would affect 99% of their paying customers. People who travel all the time would probably watch it on their laptops/tablets anyway so it won't affect them.
- mirntyfirty 4y agoI think that it’s a reasonable goal. However, strategically I think that it isn’t wise given their other reductions in service quality. I had Netflix pretty early on when the catalog was vast and they would send DVDs immediately. Once it became clear they were starting to throttle the amount of DVDs being sent, I stopped subscribing. I think that this new policy will inspire a portion of their customer base to leave.
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- elric 4y agoHow do they know where a home is? Are they going to require Location permissions? Are they going to do silly geoIP things which are worse than useless?
- mnahkies 4y agoIt sounds like they are using a combination of device fingerprinting and ip addresses. Will be interesting to see how many people get false positives from VPN's or just having their ip addresses cycled > Make sure that the device is not connected to a VPN, proxy, or any unblocker service.
- elric 4y agoRelying on IP addresses for anything is a recipe for disaster. Device fingerprinting is even worse, given that everyone who is the least bit privacy-conscious has gotten quite good at resisting all kinds of fingerprinting techniques. I have 4 PCs I use frequently. If I watch Netflix on one today, get a new IP address tomorrow, and watch it on another device, I'm suddenly not at home anymore? Their PR and marketing team clearly suck. I hope they've got a really good legal team, because they're going to need it.
- qeternity 4y agoGenuine question to commenters that are poopooing this: why? Price hikes are annoying, and the content quality has been decaying recently, but those are separate issues. Why shouldn’t Netflix seek to clamp down on account sharing? This seems to strike a nice balance that makes it easy to continue sharing, and not disrupt existing profiles, etc whilst charging a small premium for the privilege.
- moralestapia 4y agoPeople share their Netflix account because they don't think it's worth the full value and/or they're are financially strained. If you raise the cost they will just leave, leaving Netflix with a total of $0 instead of a "small premium for the privilege" from them.
- czstar 4y agoI suspect there are also people who share their account out of inertia. Some kids go off to college and stay on their parents’ account. Sometimes they don’t think about it since the password is stored on the app. Also, Netflix might be losing money when people share their account and want to get to a place where the profit per account increases and then go from there.
- qeternity 4y ago> I suspect there are also people who share their account out of inertia. This move is perfect for these situations. The kids get a discounted Netflix account without losing their account.
- moralestapia 4y agoThe kids want Disney+ anyway.
- mikkergp 4y agoThey’re not really separate issues. On some level we’re supporting a company vision and direction. Right now that direction says “we’re going to try and eek out every last dollar and we don’t care about the quality of our content”. I think this would be a different story if most of their energy was focused on creating a compelling product. “Look at all this great media were building as part of a completing vision and we have to raise prices to accommodate is a different narrative than “everything sucks and we don’t care give us more money”
- sys_64738 4y agoThe endless pursuit of revenue to suit shareholders. Netflix can’t increase subs anymore as who would subscribe have already and luxuries are first to go in a depressed economy. So you look for the next low hanging fruit to launder.
- qeternity 4y ago> The endless pursuit of revenue to suit shareholders. I don’t really understand these comments. Do you think Netflix is a charity? “Endless pursuit of revenue” is how they stay in business, employing people and yes, generating profits to shareholders. Imagine turning this same thinking around at other groups I’d imagine you sympathize with like unionizing workers: “In their endless pursuit of revenue, workers have demanded pay increases”. Like wtf?
- mping 4y agoFalse equivalence, companies want to increase profits sometimes at any cost, ethical or monetary. Workers want fair compensation.
- qeternity 4y agoWhat?!? Workers want as much compensation as possible, and rightly so, as any rational actor would.
- mfcl 4y agoI have an endless pursuit for food. Whenever I eat, I end up eating again only hours later. I've given up on fixing this greedy habit.
- moralestapia 4y agoDo you eat anything that comes in front of you?
- Malic 4y agoDo you have a business plan to eat 10-15% more year-over-year on an ongoing basis?
- GeekyBear 4y agoI have a friend who is a divorced father, and the only two people on his account are himself and his son, who don't live in the same household. Divorce is fairly common, and coming on top of another recent price hike, they are going to be shedding customers.
- frognumber 4y agoGoodness. The number of products which explicitly discriminate against divorced families (or foreigners, for that matter) is astronomical. It's like pouring salt on a wound.
- foogazi 4y agoMom doesn’t watch Netflix ?
- timbit42 4y agoProbably does but certainly not on the account of her former husband.
- porknubbins 4y agoI cant see this in the US, though the Argentina link someone posted below worked. Did they cancel this in the US?
- wdb 4y agoIt’s still unclear to me how they count the two weeks on a location. If I go to my summer house every weekend, does that count? Or do they count when you use Netflix at multiple locations at the same time?
- hotpotamus 4y agoYou know, if you can afford a different house for a season, I suspect you could afford another Netflix account for that house.
- alanfranz 4y agoArrogant and superfluous comment. If it’s still me and only me watching then netflix should not care.
- czstar 4y agoThe comment you responded to was neither arrogant or superfluous. Prior to the internet people had cable TV subscriptions for their house and vacation house. The norm was TV subscription being location based. Now with the internet that changed a bit. Netflix is trying to come up with a way to ensure that people aren’t using a subscription login “unjustly” (as Netflix defines this). It’s a tricky problem to solve.
- freedom2099 4y agoIt’s not really exactly the same thing! A web services should not be location bound! What if next to access your email you have to be home or pay for any extra location? Following your previous line of reasoning to access standard mail you have to be home!
- czstar 4y agoIt wasn’t a line of reasoning or a justification. I was not justifying anything or arguing for or against anything. Web services are already location bound. For example, there are YouTube videos available in the U.S. but not in Russia. I’m certain there are emails legal to be sent and read in Iran that are not legal to be sent in the U.S. One state in the U.S. is attempting to ban abortion information being sent to people within that state’s borders (likely just posturing but the point stands). I can see from Netflix’s perspective that maybe the cost of allowing too many streams from one account is not profitable. Clearly they think this is a problem.
- wdb 4y agoWhat about if you have two internet connections at your home?
- freedom2099 4y agoSo… I have 8 weeks of vacation a year… does this mean I won’t be able to use my account for 6 of these weeks? What about going to my vacation home during weekends? I do it multiple times a month… why should I pay more for accessing Netflix from a different address? If they start this bullshit in my country they will loose a 10 years loyal customer playing for premium 4K streaming. I have as well prime, Disney+ And Apple TV+… I can survive without them!
- foogazi 4y ago> What about going to my vacation home during weekends? Maybe they think you can afford it
- gs17 4y agoA more relevant example could be a student who goes to their family home on weekends, with parents who don't want a Netflix account themselves.
- freedom2099 4y agoIt’s not that I can’t afford it… it’s a matter of principle! There is no valid reason for an INTERNET SERVICE to be bound to a geographical location (aside of squeezing people out of every penny possible)!
- skyzyx 4y agoIf you mean geographical location within the same country, sure. If you mean across multiple countries, it gets dramatically more complex. Copyright holders sell streaming rights based on countries and all kinds of other continent negotiation details.
- theshrike79 4y agoI'm pretty sure this'll be rolled out in geos where sharing your account with 5+ people in different addresses is common. They're not gonna come first at the people who use Netflix from two addresses regularly, there's no point to start from there.
- frognumber 4y agoIn 2000, everyone I knew pirated content because official platforms were broken, and piracy was more convenient and worked better. In 2010 everyone I knew paid their media tax through Netflix or a similar provider since paid services were more convenient than piracy, and things just worked. Somehow, in the past 2-5 years, piracy is quickly moving back as the more convenient option. The core problem with entertainment is you're paying for fun. Spending hours fighting with broken service is not fun. Increasingly, these services provide negative value to me.
- foogazi 4y ago> Spending hours fighting with broken service is not fun. Do you spend hours fighting with Netflix or Prime ? How are the online media services broken for you ?
- jacknews 4y agoFor a start, you now have to sign up to several services to get all the content. And stuff just disappears. This space is going to be broken, just like messaging. Some things call for an enforced interoperability standard.
- frognumber 4y agoT-Mobile gave me free Paramount+. I was looking forward to it, since much of the content disappeared from Prime, some mid-series. Paramount+ won't play on any device. It says I have to disable my ad blocker. They have code to break playback with an ad blocker, but it's broken, and disables playback even without and ad blocker. Paramount+ support says I should disable antivirus software, firewalls, and essentially, leave myself open to attacks. Netflix selection has been getting worse too, with a proliferation of streaming services. For the most part, I'm on Youtube. Youtube works. I can also use tools like yt-dlp to download Youtube content for plane flights, which is the major place I'd like to watch content. Most streaming services don't support use without internet access. Oh -- and if I buy something, I'm liable to lose it. Google almost killed my whole library of purchases with the whole GSuite free thing, before backpedaling at the very last minute. For a few months, I had unnecessary stress and headache. Piracy has all the content I want, works off-line, on any device, and in any player. Pirated content doesn't expire or break. If I weren't a high-profile figure liable to look bad in media, I'd go with piracy. It seems like the better option. It's certainly what I advocate to friends and family.
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- kyriakos 4y agoThe Netflix homes feature is unavailable in this country. I switched to 5 countries still got the same message.
- skyzyx 4y agoMy wife and I live in the US. My kids spend the school year with their mom in Canada, and spend summers, vacations, and many weekends here in the US. We’re only about 100 miles away from each other, but it crosses an international border. For more than a decade, my kids have been on my account. All of their history and recommendations are attached to their profile in my account. If they want to move their profiles over to their mother’s account for the nine months of the year that they are in Canada, they can’t. They just use their existing profiles in my account at both homes. In my case, nobody is “stealing” anything. My immediate family has had to deal with these international issues for about eight years, where the kids spend about three months in the US and nine months in Canada every year, crossing the border every 3-4 weeks. I have no idea how Netflix’s changes are going to affect my family. Taking another example: Disney+ and Hulu. Hulu is majority (but not entirely) owned by Disney (post-20th Century Fox acquisition). In the US, we have Disney+ and Hulu as separate services. In Canada there is no Hulu, but Disney+ offers something called “Star” which is more-or-less non-US Hulu. In other words, Disney is already getting 2 subscriptions out of me in the US for content that only requires one subscription in other countries. But I don’t mind. Why? Because Disney has high quality content. Even if I don’t want to watch it, none of it is necessarily “bad”. Netflix, OTOH, churns out so much garbage. And most of their original shows get canceled far too early. I now avoid most new Netflix shows until it has a few seasons under its belt, because I’m tired of getting invested into shows that are canceled after a cliff-hanger. Ted Sarandos: I’m looking at you.